There is no such thing, at this stage of the world’s history in the United States, as an independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dare write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my papers, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of the journalist is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes. - la angla ekzempla frazo:

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al_ex_an_der 2012-januaro-11 2012-januaro-11 22:12:45 UTC

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? Per kio diferencas tiu ĉi teksto de tiu:

http://tatoeba.org/deu/sentences/show/693520

AMIKEMA 2012-januaro-11 2012-januaro-11 23:39:07 UTC

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America > United States

Eldad 2012-septembro-15 2012-septembro-15 21:31:43 UTC

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Ĉu ne estas originala frazo/paragrafo, nome, citaĵo?

sacredceltic 2012-novembro-17 2012-novembro-17 23:04:54 UTC

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>It was submitted by someone who incorrectly assumes that the word "America" doesn't refer to the "United States of America."

America refers to a continent. It cannot refer to a country, especially for US citizens of Mexican origin, who find it insulting that their continent is thus negated. US citizens of Mexican or other American countries descent also have a right to their own definition of what America is, including in English.

sacredceltic 2012-novembro-17 2012-novembro-17 23:06:42 UTC

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Besides, Amikema's translation is a perfect retranslation of the esperanto sentence and I cannot see why retranslations should be deleted...

sacredceltic 2012-novembro-17 2012-novembro-17 23:11:47 UTC

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No, I refer to how US citizens of Mexican descent refer, in English, to the United States of America.

sacredceltic 2012-novembro-17 2012-novembro-17 23:15:11 UTC

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The use of "America" by old white US colonists to mean only their country, as if America was entirely theirs is demeaning to hundreds of millions of other Americans, and an insult to geographical common sense.

sacredceltic 2012-novembro-17 2012-novembro-17 23:37:47 UTC

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>I'm not going to argue this further with you.

but that's precisely what you're doing !?

>when referring to a single continent we use North America or South America.

So "America" is contained in "North America" ? Yeah, sure...

sacredceltic 2012-novembro-17 2012-novembro-17 23:41:42 UTC

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>The English word "America" is most often understood as meaning the country "the United States of America."

Not by : Spanish speakers, Portugese speakers, French speakers and Canadians. That's just 2 thirds of the population of America...
Don't you constantly argue that when the majority says something, it has to be right ? Or do you restrict this majority rule to only a remote area of the USA ?

Eldad 2012-novembro-18 2012-novembro-18 10:10:29 UTC

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@sacredceltic,

For your information, the word "America" means "the United States of America" in several other languages than English, such as Arabic and Persian (and you'll be surprised - even in Yiddish!).

sacredceltic 2012-novembro-18 2012-novembro-18 10:54:30 UTC

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@Eldad

I know. But I think Americans themselves know better what America is. For a majority of them, the USA are but a chunk of it.

Eldad 2012-novembro-18 2012-novembro-18 10:56:22 UTC

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I'm sure about that.
I simply referred to the usage of the words "America" and "American".

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Tiu ĉi frazo estis komence aldonita kiel traduko de frazo n-ro 693520There is no such thing, at this stage of the world’s history in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dare write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my papers, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of the journalist is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes..

There is no such thing, at this stage of the world’s history in the United States, as an independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dare write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my papers, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of the journalist is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes.

aldonita de AMIKEMA, 2012-januaro-11

➜ n-ro 693520There is no such thing, at this stage of the world’s history in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dare write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my papers, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of the journalist is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes.

ligita de AMIKEMA, 2012-januaro-11

➜ n-ro 1862264En la nuna stadio de la monda historio en Usono ne ekzistas io, kia sendependa gazetaro. Vi scias ĝin, kaj mi scias ĝin. Estas eĉ ne unu el vi, kiu kuraĝas skribi sian honestan opinion, kaj se vi farus, vi antaŭe scias, ke ĝi neniam aperus presita. Mi estas ĉiusemajne pagata por teni mian honestan opinion ekster la gazeto, al kiu mi ligiĝas. Aliaj el vi estas pagataj per similaj salajroj por similaj aferoj, kaj iu el vi, kiu sufiĉe frenezus por skribi honestan opinion, starus baldaŭ sur la strato por serĉi alian laboron. Se mi permesus, ke miaj honestaj opinioj aperus en iu temo de miaj gazetoj, antaŭ dudek kvar horoj mia posteno malaperus. La tasko de la ĵurnalisto estas detrui la veron, senhezite mensogi, deformi, kalumnii, humiligi sin ĉe la piedoj de Mamono kaj vendi sian landon kaj sian rason por sia ĉiutaga pano. Vi scias ĝin, kaj mi scias ĝin, kaj kia malsaĝeco estas tiu rostado de sendependa gazetaro? Ni estas la saltantaj pupoj, ili tiras la ŝnurojn kaj ni dancas. Niaj tutaj talentoj, niaj ebloj kaj niaj vivoj estas propraĵo de aliuloj. Ni estas intelektaj prostituitoj.

ligita de GrizaLeono, 2012-septembro-23

➜ n-ro 2178647A világtörténelem mai állapotában az Egyesült Államokban nem létezik olyasmi, mint a független sajtó. Te tudod, és én is tudom. Egyetlen ember sincs közöttetek, aki meg meri írni a tisztességes véleményét, és ha megtennéd, már előre tudod, hogy az sohasem jelenne meg nyomtatásban. Engem minden héten azért fizetnek, hogy tartsam a véleményemet azon az újságon kívül, amellyel kapcsolatban vagyok. Közületek másokat hasonló keresettel, hasonló dolgokért fizetnek, és ha bármelyikőtök, aki elég őrült ahhoz, hogy becsületes véleményt írjon, az utcán találná magát, más munkát keresve. Ha megengedném, hogy a tisztességes véleményem megjelenjen az újságom valamelyik számában, huszonnégy órán belül megszűnne az állásom. Az újságíró munkája az, hogy tegye tönkre az igazságot, tétovázás nélkül hazudjon, ferdítsen, rágalmazzon, alázza meg magát a Mammon lábainál, és hogy adja el országát és fajtáját a mindennapi kenyeréért. Te tudod ezt, és én is tudom ezt, akkor meg mi ez a bohóckodás a független sajtó felköszöntésével? Zsinóron rángatott bábok vagyunk, ők húzgálják a zsinórokat, mi meg táncolunk. Minden tehetségünk, lehetőségünk és az életünk mások tulajdona. Intellektuális prostituáltak vagyunk.

ligita de Muelisto, 2013-januaro-31

➜ n-ro 3205374Non vi è nulla di simile, in questa fase della storia del mondo in America, come una stampa indipendente. Tu lo sai e io lo so. Non c'è nessuno di voi che osa scrivere le proprie opinioni oneste, e se l'avete fatto, si sa in anticipo che non apparirebbe mai in stampa Io sono pagato settimanalmente per tenere le mie opinioni oneste fuori dal giornale a cui sono collegato. Altri di voi sono pagati con stipendi simili per cose simili, e chiunque di voi che sarebbe sciocco da scrivere opinioni oneste sarebbe fuori per le strade in cerca di un altro lavoro. Se ho lasciato le mie opinioni oneste di apparire in una questione di mie carte, prima di 24 ore la mia occupazione sarebbe andato. L'attività del giornalista è quella di distruggere la verità, di mentire apertamente, di pervertire, di diffamare, di strisciare ai piedi di Mammona, e di vendere il suo paese e la sua razza per il suo pane quotidiano. Tu lo sai e io lo so, e che follia è questo brindare per una stampa indipendente? Noi siamo i burattini, loro tirano i fili e noi balliamo. I nostri talenti, le nostre possibilità e le nostre vite sono tutte proprietà di altri uomini. Noi siamo delle prostitute intellettuali.

ligita de Guybrush88, 2014-aprilo-26

➜ n-ro 8333047Nykyhetken Yhdysvalloissa ei ole lainkaan puolueetonta lehdistöä. Te tiedätte sen ja minä tiedän sen. Kukaan teistä ei uskalla kirjoittaa rehellisiä mielipiteitään, ja jos uskaltaisi, tietäisi hän jo etukäteen, ettei niitä koskaan julkaistaisi. Joka viikko minulle maksetaan siitä, että pidän rehelliset mielipiteeni poissa sanomalehdestä, johon kirjoitan. Teille muille maksetaan vastaavia palkkoja vastaavista syistä, ja jos joku typeryyttään kirjoittaisi rehellisiä mielipiteitään, olisi hän kadulla muita töitä etsimässä. Jos sallisin rehellisten mielipiteideni näkyä yhdessäkin lehteni numerossa, olisi urani tuhottu ennen kuin kaksikymmentäneljä tuntia olisi kulunut. Toimittajan työnä on tuhota totuus, valehdella häpeämättömästi, vääristää, panetella, nöyristellä mammonan edessä ja myydä maansa ja lajinsa jokapäiväisen leipänsä eteen. Te tiedätte sen ja minä tiedän sen; mitä typeryyttä onkaan juhlistaa riippumatonta lehdistöä? Me olemme sätkynukkeja, jotka tanssivat heidän ohjeidensa mukaan. Kykymme, mahdollisuutemme ja elämämme ovat toisten miesten omaisuutta. Huoraamme älyämme.

ligita de Thanuir, 2019-novembro-19

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