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CK CK 16日前 2020年7月25日 8:23 link 固定リンク

** Stats - 2020-07-25 - Native Speakers with Contributions **

http://tatoeba.ueuo.com/stats-2020-07-25.html

Find out who the native speakers are and get links to their sentences.

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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 16日前 2020年7月25日 13:16 link 固定リンク

Thank you!

AlanF_US AlanF_US 16日前 2020年7月25日 15:28 link 固定リンク

The column with the number of sentences contributed in the last month is useful for finding the members who are active in a given language, which I often want to do.

Ricardo14 Ricardo14 16日前 2020年7月24日 19:30 link 固定リンク

Does that happen to any of you?

https://tatoeba.org/eng/private...s/folder/Inbox

>> https://prnt.sc/to26uh
>> https://prnt.sc/to27ag

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rumpelstilzchen rumpelstilzchen 16日前 2020年7月24日 20:10 link 固定リンク

Yes, I've also noticed that. Feel free to open a bug report. :-)

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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 16日前 2020年7月24日 20:42 link 固定リンク

https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/2472 :)

Ricardo14 Ricardo14 17日前, 編集 17日前 2020年7月24日 15:53, 編集 2020年7月24日 15:55 link 固定リンク

For the first time *ever*, Slovak is 100% translated and got the "Ready for use" status on Transifex - https://www.transifex.com/tatoe...ite/dashboard/

https://prnt.sc/tnyvtt

Thanks a lot, po_slovensky, for your hard work!

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AlanF_US AlanF_US 16日前 2020年7月24日 17:40 link 固定リンク

Blahoželám!

(Translation supplied by Tatoeba. :->)

maaster maaster 18日前 2020年7月23日 14:05 link 固定リンク

In order to add a comment under a sentence I must klick 3x in the comment field.
Does it happen to anyone else too?

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Pfirsichbaeumchen Pfirsichbaeumchen 18日前 2020年7月23日 15:03 link 固定リンク

Mir ist das noch nicht aufgefallen. Vielleicht mußt Du einfach nur warten. Manchmal ist alles etwas langsam.

TRANG TRANG 20日前, 編集 20日前 2020年7月20日 17:48, 編集 2020年7月20日 17:48 link 固定リンク

** What's New on Tatoeba? - Your biweekly recap #21 **

(What's New on Tatoeba will be published biweekly until the end of August.)


KODOEBA EVENT

※ We have two new issues solved on internal code since last time.

• Information about original sentences is now available in the "Base of Sentences" section of the Downloads page. Thanks to ftumsh.
• All the export files are split by language. Thanks to lbdx for the scripts that splits our exports, and to gillux and rumpelstilzchen for helping to optimize the solution.

※ A few external projects are now ready to receive feedback. You are kindly invited to check them out and share your thoughts!

• jacopofar's cloze deletion tool: https://grammarquiz.online/
• jonnyk's tool to automatically generate vocabulary flashcards: https://sentence-finder-frontend.herokuapp.com/
• Jpec's Japanese learning app: https://play.google.com/store/a...ec.benkyou_app


UPDATES

※ The vocabulary count has been fixed. Thanks to AlanF_US for reporting the issue and rumpelstilzchen for fixing it.

※ Searching sentences with a question mark at the end no longer returns an error page. Thanks to CK for reporting this and gillux for fixing it.

※ rumpelstilzchen solved a bug where the search was returning sentences in the wrong language. Thanks to him for the fix and to brauchinet for reporting it.

※ The landing page is now responsive. Thanks to Trang for implementing this and to everyone for testing.

※ Logs on our servers are now a bit less cluttered. Thanks to rumpelstilzchen for taking care of this, and to gillux for suggesting it.


ON THE WALL

※ miketheknight asked if we could extend the functionality of the search option "Owned by a self-identified native": https://tatoeba.org/eng/wall/sh...#message_35625

※ CK announced that we have a new Polish voice: https://tatoeba.org/eng/wall/sh...#message_35655

※ Trang needs people to test the responsive search results: https://tatoeba.org/eng/wall/sh...#message_35638

※ morbrorper asked how we can more easily flag and track translations that don't match: https://tatoeba.org/eng/wall/sh...#message_35618


LANGUAGES

※ Tatoeba is supporting eight new languages: Chinook Jargon, Southern Subanen, Ancient Hebrew, Pali, Baluchi, South Levantine Arabic, Southern Haida and Northern Haida.

※ Serbian has been enabled on production as a UI language.

※ Several other UI languages have been enabled on dev: Bulgarian, Filipino, Turkmen, Croatian, Slovak and Balushi.

As usual, thanks to all the members who helped to translate the website!

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If you'd like to help to the development of Tatoeba, report issues, or are just curious, have a look at the GitHub repository.

If you want to help us translate the website to your language, you can join us on Transifex: https://www.transifex.com/tatoe...ite/dashboard/ and check this article on the wiki https://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/art...e-translation.

If you're especially happy with one of the updates, don't hesitate to personally thank our developers :) They're working in the shadow but they'll be glad to hear your feedback.

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Last recap: https://tatoeba.org/eng/wall/show_message/35583
See this recap on the blog: http://blog.tatoeba.org/2020/07...-biweekly.html

miketheknight miketheknight 28日前 2020年7月13日 13:04 link 固定リンク

In advanced search there's a checkbox "Owned by a self-identified native". Would it be reasonable to extend this functionality to "Owned or approved by a self-identified native"?

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TRANG TRANG 24日前 2020年7月16日 19:31 link 固定リンク

It could be.

Can you tell us what made you think of this? With a bit more context, we can better assess whether we should extend the checkbox as you suggested or whether we should add another search option.

Note that there has been a similar request raised on GitHub:
https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/2261

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miketheknight miketheknight 24日前, 編集 24日前 2020年7月17日 8:22, 編集 2020年7月17日 8:23 link 固定リンク

Because I like working with sentences added by native speakers. They are less likely to be awkward, they are less likely to contain structural mistakes. I even enjoy noticing typical mistakes that native speakers make - for example, I used to pronounce "they're" and "there" differently in English a long time ago, and only after having noticed that native speakers of English regularly confuse "they're", "there" and "their" in writing did I understand those three have identical pronunciation.

Anyway, I have a lot of reasons to work only with sentences added by native speakers, so I almost always use the "Added by self-identified native speakers" checkbox in my searches.

However, I think I'm missing out on sentences added by non-native speakers that were approved / corrected by native speakers. I don't see why those would be any worse than sentences added by native speakers.

So I believe it would be useful to treat "Sentences added by native speakers" + "Sentences approved by native speakers" as one set.

The github link is not the same. If I OK an English sentence, it doesn't make it any more reliable than it was before me okaying it, but it's important for a sentence to be reviewed by a native speaker.

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AlanF_US AlanF_US 24日前 2020年7月17日 15:52 link 固定リンク

> only after having noticed that native speakers of English regularly confuse "they're", "there" and "their" in writing did I understand those three have identical pronunciation.

Not identical, at least not for every speaker, but definitely similar. :)

morbrorper morbrorper 22日前 2020年7月18日 21:10 link 固定リンク

There are a lot of correct sentences that belong to users that have not indicated their native language. And I have come across quite a few sentences with errors, by native contributors. Nevertheless, I think this would be a useful feature.

morbrorper morbrorper 22日前 2020年7月19日 8:51 link 固定リンク

In relation to this, I would like to call for an overview of all the sentences having the @needs native check tag. I find it discouraging to see sentences with this tag being ignored for ages.

There are also quite a few sentences that have both this tag and an "OK" tag, which is confusing. I understand that may be because the person who OK's a sentence does not always have the right to delete other people's tags, or they just forget; this makes me think the issue is perhaps not best handled using tags.

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AlanF_US AlanF_US 22日前 2020年7月19日 13:44 link 固定リンク

> In relation to this, I would like to call for an overview of all the sentences having the @needs native check tag. I find it discouraging to see sentences with this tag being ignored for ages.

In which languages? I make a point of frequently reviewing the English sentences with this tag (along with @check and @change). Sometimes they build up in the short term because they are owned by an active member who hasn't had a chance to get through all of them yet.

> There are also quite a few sentences that have both this tag and an "OK" tag, which is confusing.

Again, in which languages?

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morbrorper morbrorper 22日前 2020年7月19日 15:12 link 固定リンク

OK, I looked a bit closer, using the web interface, and found that Norwegian Bokmål actually stands for more than half of the total ~4500 sentences. It is among these that I found the OK'd ones.

Other languages that stand out are Japanese (412), and Mandarin Chinese (384). To get the whole picture, for each language, maybe somebody could run an SQL query?

Indeed, English has very few unhandled @NNC requests, for which I am grateful.

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AlanF_US AlanF_US 21日前 2020年7月19日 18:11 link 固定リンク

Norwegian Bokmål has no corpus maintainers. Maybe it's time to recruit one.

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Thanuir Thanuir 21日前 2020年7月20日 7:17 link 固定リンク

Det ville være en stor forbedring.

CK CK 21日前 2020年7月19日 23:13 link 固定リンク

We have a new Polish voice.

Farmersa has contributed 223 audio files.

https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...how/166739/und


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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 21日前 2020年7月19日 23:39 link 固定リンク

Glad to know that! :D

Ricardo14 Ricardo14 25日前 2020年7月16日 13:17 link 固定リンク

Shouldn't "Translations" be localized? I mean in cases like this one:

https://prnt.sc/tiz25d

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TRANG TRANG 24日前 2020年7月16日 18:57 link 固定リンク

It doesn't have to. It's a title, it's not a description.

AlanF_US AlanF_US 24日前 2020年7月16日 19:57 link 固定リンク

Ricardo, what makes you think that it is not localized? When I use the French UI, that string is displayed as "Traductions".

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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 24日前 2020年7月16日 21:40 link 固定リンク

In English, even when there is just one translation, it shows "translations" instead of "translation".

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AlanF_US AlanF_US 24日前 2020年7月17日 16:02 link 固定リンク

Okay, so if I understand what you're saying correctly, the issue is that:

- "translations" is not marked as a word with singular and plural forms
- the UI does not count the number of translations to determine how many there are, and then use this logic plus the singular/plural forms to determine the correct text to display

Personally, I don't mind that "Translations" is displayed even when there is only one translation (in fact, it never occurred to me before you mentioned it), but I see your point. Note, however, that if we used a singular/plural form, we'd have to reexamine and possibly update it every time the number of translations changed for a given sentence because a translation was added or removed.

sabretou sabretou 23日前 2020年7月18日 8:06 link 固定リンク

I think "Translations" is fine as it is. If we have it read "Translation" when there is a single translation, it would give off the implication that there can only be one translation below the sentence. For new users, this could be confusing.

Like Trang said, "Translations" is a title, so think of it as a box marked Translations. The number of translations in that box may vary (or it may be empty), but the title of the box will remain as it is.

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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 23日前 2020年7月18日 8:36 link 固定リンク

I haven't thought on that way. Thank you!

TRANG TRANG 2020年6月4日 16:57, 編集 2020年6月6日 17:01 2020年6月4日 16:57, 編集 2020年6月6日 17:01 link 固定リンク

**Responsive landing page**

I have deployed on the dev website an attempt at making the landing page responsive and will need some feedback. If you have time, please visit the dev website from your smartphone.

https://dev.tatoeba.org

Only the landing page (for non-authenticated users only) will adjust to small screens. Other pages will still be displayed as miniatures of the website.

To convert this page into a responsive page, I had to rework some elements so that they would display properly on smartphones. Some of these changes have an effect for the desktop users too (login box and UI language selection being the most notable changes). I'll let you try out and report things that you find confusing or inconvenient.

Thank you for testing!

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CK CK 2020年6月4日 22:45 2020年6月4日 22:45 link 固定リンク

Note that TRANG is referring to the non-logged-in main page.
You will have to make sure to log out to see what she's talking about.

This is the only problem that I noticed right off.
The interface language icon wasn't intuitive to me, but perhaps it is to others.

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TRANG TRANG 2020年6月6日 17:22 2020年6月6日 17:22 link 固定リンク

> The interface language icon wasn't intuitive to me, but perhaps it is to others.

Would it perhaps be more intuitive with the language code next to the icon?
https://imgur.com/a/maxaQLR

AlanF_US AlanF_US 2020年6月5日 2:31 2020年6月5日 2:31 link 固定リンク

The "show more features"/"show fewer features" icons are displayed, but have no effect, for a user who is not logged in.

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orion17 orion17 2020年6月5日 3:38 2020年6月5日 3:38 link 固定リンク

It does, but it expands and collapses the hidden sentences instead of showing features...

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AlanF_US AlanF_US 2020年6月5日 19:47 2020年6月5日 19:47 link 固定リンク

The icons appear in two places: (1) in the top green bar and (2) next to each sentence. I was looking at the one in the top green bar, which didn't seem to do much. But in fact, it does affect sentences that have unreviewed automatically-generated alternate transcriptions: It shows or hides the transcriptions.

TRANG TRANG 2020年6月6日 16:59 2020年6月6日 16:59 link 固定リンク

The "show more" button in the green toolbar should indeed not be displayed. This bug should be fixed on dev now.

TRANG TRANG 2020年6月20日 18:10 2020年6月20日 18:10 link 固定リンク

I have implemented additional changes to the top menu. As always, if you have time, please test it on the dev website and let me know if you have any issue.

https://dev.tatoeba.org/

The main change is the part with the user menu, inbox, log out and language selection.

Thanks!

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CK CK 2020年6月21日 0:57, 編集 2020年6月21日 1:02 2020年6月21日 0:57, 編集 2020年6月21日 1:02 link 固定リンク

It works, but I don't like the way it takes multiple clicks to get to things I often access.

With the current design (on the main site), I can mouse-over my username, then click "comments on my sentences." This only requires one click.

The new design requires multiple clicks.
1. Click my username in the menu bar.
2. Click "my profile."
3. Click my username again where is appears under the search bar.
4. Click "comments on my sentences."

It's not only this, but it requires this same number of clicks to get to everything else in the drop-down menu that I use.

Changing my language isn't something that I use very much, hardly ever, but I do use the other things, so I'm not sure why the language change part cannot just be included in the "settings."

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AlanF_US AlanF_US 2020年6月21日 12:55 2020年6月21日 12:55 link 固定リンク

I agree. I rarely change my profile, but I often want to look at my lists, my most recent comments and sentences, and comments on my sentences. It is a pain to have to go through my profile in order to get there, especially on the desktop, where I have plenty of room for a longer drop-down list.

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AlanF_US AlanF_US 2020年6月24日 15:32 2020年6月24日 15:32 link 固定リンク

In addition to forcing us to use more clicks, moving these items out of the menu has a negative effect on discoverability. If I didn't see them in the menu, I might think that such functionality didn't exist at all, especially if I didn't visit my profile after setting it up as a new user.

AlanF_US AlanF_US 2020年6月21日 12:58 2020年6月21日 12:58 link 固定リンク

When I look at my profile, there's a box on the right-hand side with the heading "Settings". Three items are shown: (1) whether e-mail notifications are enabled, (2) whether the profile is public, and (3) the list of languages for translations I want to display. The problem with item (3) is that there's no explanation, just a bare list:

>> deu, eng, epo, fra, heb, ita, jpn, por, rus, ukr

It would be better if there were a short introductory phrase:

>> Translations displayed in: deu, eng, epo, fra, heb, ita, jpn, por, rus, ukr

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TRANG TRANG 24日前 2020年7月16日 19:53 link 固定リンク

I have created an issue on GitHub:
https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/2456

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AlanF_US AlanF_US 23日前 2020年7月17日 16:03 link 固定リンク

Thanks.

morbrorper morbrorper 2020年7月10日 9:51 2020年7月10日 9:51 link 固定リンク

I wish there was a way to easily flag links to translations as being questionable. That would cover the case where a linked translation is correct as a sentence, but does not mean the same as the original sentence.

Of course one could go and write a comment on each questionable translation, but it is quite tedious, and it is easy to get sidetracked in the process. Or, as an advanced contributor, one could simply unlink the offending translations, but then nobody would probably notice.

I have seen the "unlink" tag, but I don't think a tag is enough.

See sentence #807032 for a current example.

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deniko deniko 2020年7月10日 10:13 2020年7月10日 10:13 link 固定リンク

What I normally do is the following.

I take notice who was the one to create the link. for example, #1508983 was linked by marcelostockle - you can see that in the logs. In this case it's a relatively simple case, he added his sentence as a translation. So I comment under his sentence asking him to verify his translation.

Sometimes it's more complicated than that. Sentence A and sentence B were added independently, and then someone linked them. In this case I comment under any of those tagging the person who linked them and asking them to verify the link.

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morbrorper morbrorper 2020年7月10日 14:55 2020年7月10日 14:55 link 固定リンク

I do something similar, but it is rather difficult to keep track of the sentences I have remarked on in this way. At least there is a page with all my sentence reviews, but no such thing for my translation review.

I wish some of this could be automated somehow, with notifications going out to those involved.

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TRANG TRANG 24日前 2020年7月16日 19:46 link 固定リンク

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. I completely agree with you that we could streamline the process of dealing with non-matching translations a lot better. While I have some ideas on what we can do, I can say that designing a good feature for this will not be an easy feat.

In any case, I have created an issue on GitHub:
https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/2455