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Tango Tango 20 часов назад 18 сентября 2020 г., 19:02:57 UTC link Пермалинк

Hi, my name is Tango, I just joint tatoeba to contribute a translation for our native language, I read on how I can add it in this article https://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/art...nguage-request but on my profile I can't seem to find a way to add it. any help would be very apprecitated.

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TRANG TRANG 18 часов назад 18 сентября 2020 г., 21:39:02 UTC link Пермалинк

Hi Tango and welcome! :)

You will have to wait that your language request is implemented and deployed before you can add the language in your profile. This can take a week or two.

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Tango Tango 17 часов назад 18 сентября 2020 г., 21:44:39 UTC link Пермалинк

Thank you Trang for the quick update, will look forward for it to be integrated.

morbrorper morbrorper 7 дней назад, изменено 7 дней назад 12 сентября 2020 г., 07:09:11 UTC, изменено 12 сентября 2020 г., 07:13:33 UTC link Пермалинк

Most often, when I perform an exact search for a Japanese sentence I have found at Clozemaster, the search doesn't find anything. However, if I set "Is orphan" and "Is unapproved" to Any, the sentence will be found. I find it very irritating that I have to go through that extra step, especially if the first search is lengthy.

Try this one: https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...rom=und&to=und

I can possibly understand that Tatoeba does not want to pollute the search results with dodgy sentences, but when there is an exact match I think an exception should be made.

Another issue is why there are so many Japanese sentences that seem to be mostly forgotten, having no owner and sometimes with very "imaginative" English translations. Might this partly be because they are hidden by the search interface?

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CK CK 7 дней назад 12 сентября 2020 г., 08:45:36 UTC link Пермалинк

Bookmark this URL.
It's a pre-filled advanced search form with what you want.

https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...&sort_reverse=

The pre-filled search form option is something that was added recently.

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morbrorper morbrorper 7 дней назад 12 сентября 2020 г., 09:26:15 UTC link Пермалинк

Thanks, that helps a bit, but not when I issue the search directly from Clozemaster.

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AlanF_US AlanF_US 7 дней назад, изменено 7 дней назад 12 сентября 2020 г., 12:06:54 UTC, изменено 12 сентября 2020 г., 12:12:23 UTC link Пермалинк

I suggest posting a request at Clozemaster for them to change the parameters of the query issued to include at least orphans (unapproved might be more problematic) when searching for a full sentence. Searching for a single word is probably a different story, since you would probably get enough good matches without relaxing the criteria.

Many of our Japanese sentences come from the Tanaka Corpus, and we've had too few Japanese-speaking members to fix all the problems with it.

http://www.edrdg.org/wiki/index.php/Tanaka_Corpus

Cabo Cabo вчера 18 сентября 2020 г., 05:18:44 UTC link Пермалинк

Are you sure that all of the sentences originate from here?
Or maybe the sentence was rewritten but on clozemaster the infomation hasn't changed.
I also not found one of its English sentence pair so far. (in first 100 most used words list)

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morbrorper morbrorper вчера 18 сентября 2020 г., 07:00:48 UTC link Пермалинк

Judging from my experience, I am quite sure. I don't think Clozemaster uses any other corpus than Tatoeba, and Clozemaster does not rewrite sentences, to my knowledge.

It seems that Clozemaster fetched all its Japanese sentences from Tatoeba some five to eight years ago, so any changes made after that are not reflected in its corpus. On the other hand, not a lot seems to have happened with these sentences here at Tatoeba in the meantime, anyway. But if you don't find a particular sentence, it might have been deleted.

sharptoothed sharptoothed 5 дней назад 13 сентября 2020 г., 16:39:07 UTC link Пермалинк

** Stats & Graphs **

Tatoeba Stats, Graphs & Charts have been updated:
https://tatoeba.j-langtools.com/allstats/

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Guybrush88 Guybrush88 5 дней назад 13 сентября 2020 г., 22:03:04 UTC link Пермалинк

thanks

CK CK 4 дня назад 14 сентября 2020 г., 23:48:53 UTC link Пермалинк

51 usernames from sharptoothed's Tatoeba User Activity Chart from last week had both a tcnt/scnt over 1 and over 1,000 native language sentences.

aldar, alexmarcelo, arh, Balamax, bandeirante, bill, brauchinet, bunbuku, CH, CK, CM, CN, danepo, deniko, diegohn, dotheduyet1999, elenacristina260, Esperantostern, felix63, felvideki, gillux, GrizaLeono, Hybrid, lbdx, LeeSooHa, Luiaard, manese, marafon, MarijnKp, martinod, Micsmithel, morbrorper, mraz, Ninja, Nylez, Objectivesea, odexed, ondo, PaulP, Pfirsichbaeumchen, po_slovensky, Ricardo14, sacredceltic, Selena777, sharptoothed, shekitten, Shishir, Silja, small_snow, Tepan, Yorwba

Source URL: https://tatoeba.j-langtools.com...=1&chtype=alla

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Thanuir Thanuir 4 дня назад 15 сентября 2020 г., 04:32:48 UTC link Пермалинк

tcnt/scnt?

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deniko deniko 4 дня назад, изменено 4 дня назад 15 сентября 2020 г., 15:20:53 UTC, изменено 15 сентября 2020 г., 15:21:04 UTC link Пермалинк

tcnt/scnt is this guy:

https://i.imgur.com/KSwx03t.png

If it's 1.5 this means 1000 of your sentences have 1500 translations directly linked to it (on average).

If it's <1 this means you add a lot of sentences without translations.

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Cabo Cabo 3 дня назад 15 сентября 2020 г., 17:05:30 UTC link Пермалинк

This number only means that how many sentences are connected your sentences.

"If it's <1 this means you add a lot of sentences without translations."
If I write only one sentence (and not translate it), but 8 other contributor tranlates that, then my tcnt/scnt number is 8.

Thanuir Thanuir 3 дня назад 15 сентября 2020 г., 18:35:04 UTC link Пермалинк

So this is a measure of

1. how popular your language is (as a foreign language)
2. how convenient (easy, short, simple) your sentences are to translate
3. how many sentences you write as translations of others, rather than as original sentences.

I would say that it is not particularly virtuous to aim for a high number here.

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AlanF_US AlanF_US 3 дня назад 15 сентября 2020 г., 22:36:56 UTC link Пермалинк

I agree with you.

soliloquist soliloquist 3 дня назад, изменено 3 дня назад 15 сентября 2020 г., 20:15:59 UTC, изменено 16 сентября 2020 г., 11:29:12 UTC link Пермалинк

I don't quite understand how tcnt/scnt is determined.

The user below has 3 sentences all of which are linked to a translation, so I would expect their tcnt/scnt to be 1, but it is 0.3 on the chart.

https://tatoeba.org/eng/activit...ces_of/nnireyh


And this user's ratio is 0.8 on the chart although their all sentences are linked to a translation.

https://tatoeba.org/eng/activit..._of/0sigmaone0

What am I missing?

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sharptoothed sharptoothed 3 дня назад 16 сентября 2020 г., 05:23:36 UTC link Пермалинк

It looks like "Count only native contributions" checkbox is checked. Uncheck it and you'll see what you expected. I can't explain it right now, sorry. Maybe there's a bug in my scripts. I'll try to find it out.

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soliloquist soliloquist 3 дня назад 16 сентября 2020 г., 11:27:43 UTC link Пермалинк

Thanks. I'm sorry to have bothered you.

The user glavsaltulo has 31,220 sentences (31,193 of them are in their native language, Lithuanian).

https://tatoeba.org/eng/activit...of/glavsaltulo

And only 4 of their sentences are untranslated.

https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...&sort_reverse=

But their tcnt/scnt is 0.50 on the chart when 'Count only native contributions' is checked.

So there must be something that decreases this number other than untranslated and non-native sentences.

Unchecking that checkbox gives a more accurate number as you mentioned.

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sharptoothed sharptoothed 2 дня назад 16 сентября 2020 г., 19:54:29 UTC link Пермалинк

When that checkbox is checked only sentences created by natives counted. That is, if a member has 3 sentences and all of them are translated once but only one sentence belongs to a native then the ratio will be 1/3.

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soliloquist soliloquist 2 дня назад, изменено 17 часов назад 16 сентября 2020 г., 21:06:52 UTC, изменено 18 сентября 2020 г., 22:38:33 UTC link Пермалинк

.

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sharptoothed sharptoothed вчера 17 сентября 2020 г., 16:39:17 UTC link Пермалинк

"Count only native contributions" is unchecked by default and saved in cookies, as far as I remember. This checkbox is for those who needs statistics for native contributors.

Ricardo14 Ricardo14 3 дня назад 15 сентября 2020 г., 16:12:21 UTC link Пермалинк

Shouldn't the Hebrew sentences be RTL?

> https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...&sort_reverse=

> https://tatoeba.org/eng/contributions/latest/heb

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AlanF_US AlanF_US 3 дня назад 15 сентября 2020 г., 22:41:25 UTC link Пермалинк

They are displayed right-to-left, but I think your question is whether they should be right-justified rather than left-justified, correct?

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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 3 дня назад 16 сентября 2020 г., 05:29:56 UTC link Пермалинк

Yes, indeed. Thank you!

thebpogroup thebpogroup 3 дня назад 16 сентября 2020 г., 03:37:04 UTC link Пермалинк
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gillux gillux 15 дней назад 3 сентября 2020 г., 16:09:55 UTC link Пермалинк

Check out the new "Browse by language" page: https://dev.tatoeba.org/sentences/index (note that it displays differently for guests and logged-in users).
Related issue: https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/2157

Feedback is welcome. Also, a lot of code changed under the hood, so I’d be glad if you could check if the rest of the website is working normally.

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AlanF_US AlanF_US 15 дней назад, изменено 15 дней назад 3 сентября 2020 г., 20:42:32 UTC, изменено 4 сентября 2020 г., 00:34:29 UTC link Пермалинк

I really like it. I see a lot of influence from Wikipedia, but there's nothing wrong with that. I particularly like the display of languages by number of sentences (100,000+, 10,000+, etc.). That might be especially helpful in motivating people to add sentences in order to move their language from one group to another (for instance, another 3,000+ sentences will get Polish into the 100,000+ group).

Regarding the text "0+ sentences": Since you have a "1+ sentence" category, it should suffice to show "0 sentences". But I'm not sure why we have so many languages with no sentences. Don't we require sentences to be added for a language before we support the language? I suppose that we could have languages that have a small number of sentences that are then all deleted, for one reason or another. But displaying languages with zero sentences could just lead people to wonder why we don't support every known language, since we apparently don't even require sentences for the language before we display it.

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gillux gillux 15 дней назад 3 сентября 2020 г., 21:44:18 UTC link Пермалинк

Thanks! I’m glad you like it too. :-)

Right, the "0+ sentences" is weird. It won’t appear on tatoeba.org because all languages have at least one sentence. It does appear on dev.tatoeba.org though because we keep the list of supported languages updated without adding new sentences. I’m going change it into "0 sentences" nonetheless.

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AlanF_US AlanF_US 15 дней назад 4 сентября 2020 г., 00:32:47 UTC link Пермалинк

I see. That makes sense.

TRANG TRANG 14 дней назад 5 сентября 2020 г., 10:18:56 UTC link Пермалинк

Thanks again for this page gillux, I'm looking forward to having this deployed on prod :)

The issues I've noticed:

1) The "unknown" language has a blank icon and clicking on it leads to an error.

2) The South Levantine Arabic icon is wrongly sized (but you have already noted that).

3) I also thought for a moment that some languages were missing an icon. For with "Tahaggart Tamahaq", if you don't know that it's one language you could be thinking that Tahaggart is one language and Tamahaq is another language and wondering why the second one doesn't have an icon.
If you could make the space between languages larger, or reduce the line-height of the language names, it would make it clear which string corresponds to the same language.

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gillux gillux 13 дней назад 5 сентября 2020 г., 21:51:38 UTC link Пермалинк

I fixed 1) and 2) already.

As for 3), I borrowed this way of displaying text from Wikipedia. It’s less of a problem for them because they localize each language names. I could change the display like you suggested, but this will make the text unaligned with other columns. I like how straight and organized it looks right now.

I’m not sure how to go about this but I’d rather try to approach the problem differently.

rumpelstilzchen rumpelstilzchen 5 дней назад 14 сентября 2020 г., 07:30:24 UTC link Пермалинк

The new "Browse by language" page is now deployed on tatoeba.org.

Tepan Tepan 11 дней назад 8 сентября 2020 г., 12:29:38 UTC link Пермалинк

This project is really great! <3

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TRANG TRANG 6 дней назад 13 сентября 2020 г., 11:45:20 UTC link Пермалинк

Thank you! :)

CK CK 7 дней назад 12 сентября 2020 г., 02:14:17 UTC link Пермалинк

There are now 777,777 sentences on List 907. 513,553 (66%) of these have audio.

This is the list of good proofread English sentences that I use on my projects. http://www.manythings.org/corpus/tatoeba.html

Bilingual sentence pairs made up of these sentences and sentences by native speakers contributing to the Tatoeba Project can be downloaded from http://www.manythings.org/anki/ .

Screenshot showing the 777,777 number.
https://ibb.co/pXZR22v

For comparison, here are the number of sentences for the 2nd and 3rd ranked languages on tatoeba.org.
Russian = 798,683
Italian = 767,143

Link to List 907.
https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...s/show/907/und

Thanuir Thanuir 10 дней назад 9 сентября 2020 г., 14:50:47 UTC link Пермалинк

Codidact languages site: https://languages.codidact.com/

This is an open source Q&A-community in the style of Stack exchange, but non-commercial and also the source code is open. This particular instance I linked to is about languages; maybe people here find it to be of interest.

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mccarras mccarras 9 дней назад 10 сентября 2020 г., 00:33:10 UTC link Пермалинк

Cool! Thank you!

Objectivesea Objectivesea 16 дней назад 3 сентября 2020 г., 11:12:49 UTC link Пермалинк

I had a very brief look at the list of vocabulary words for which sentences are desired. When restricted to English words only, it nevertheless had a few anomalies.

1. ‹Lautgesetzlich›, clearly a German word, is mislabelled as English.

2. ‹thunderstrock› is misspelled; it should be ‹thunderstruck›.

3. ‹щзхлзщхлщзх›, being written in Cyrillic letters, cannot be English. Perhaps it is Russian or Bulgarian, but my guess is that it may be a nonsense word, as I do not see any vowels. Can it even be pronounced?

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mccarras mccarras 16 дней назад 3 сентября 2020 г., 11:51:00 UTC link Пермалинк

I have a similar question-what do we do when we make a mistake in a vocab request? I think I was half asleep when I requested sentences with "though" in Dutch--I used the word "though", which is obviously English and not Dutch :(

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Thanuir Thanuir 16 дней назад 3 сентября 2020 г., 12:48:39 UTC link Пермалинк

https://tatoeba.org/spa/vocabulary/of/mccarras - pystyt poistamaan itse lisäämiäsi sanoja omasta sanastostasi.

Thanuir Thanuir 16 дней назад 3 сентября 2020 г., 12:47:13 UTC link Пермалинк

Tällä hetkellä virheellisyyksiä ja typeryyksiä ei voi poistaa listasta. Profiilissani on joitakin käytännön ehdotuksia.

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Objectivesea Objectivesea 10 дней назад 9 сентября 2020 г., 04:52:53 UTC link Пермалинк

A rough English version of @Thanuir's Finnish remarks:

> You can remove words which you yourself have added to the vocabulary.
> At this time, inaccuracies and stupidities cannot be removed from the list.
> There are some practical suggestions on my profile.

Thank you, Thanuir, for your helpful comments and for the very helpful guidance on your profile page, at <https://tatoeba.org/eng/user/profile/Thanuir>, for contributing sentences based on proposed vocabulary items that are currently rare in the Tatoeba sentence database. Kiitos.

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Thanuir Thanuir 10 дней назад 9 сентября 2020 г., 08:06:03 UTC link Пермалинк

Vær så god.

Selena777 Selena777 9 дней назад 9 сентября 2020 г., 18:04:25 UTC link Пермалинк

‹щзхлзщхлщзх› That's not a word, just 4 letters that are located side by side on the Russian layout. Can be deleted.