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Sentence #1835755

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Horus Horus January 19, 2015 January 19, 2015 at 11:22:24 PM UTC link Permalink

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Horus Horus January 20, 2015 January 20, 2015 at 2:34:08 AM UTC link Permalink

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Bart_Demeyere Bart_Demeyere January 29, 2021 January 29, 2021 at 10:01:38 AM UTC link Permalink

kun -> je

kalkuli cxe PIV:
6 (ntr) Fidi iun; konfidi al iu: se mi estos devigata forlasi por kelkaj jaroj nian aferon, mi kalkulas je vi, mi esperas, ke vi ne lasos ĝin faliZ; mi kalkulas pri vi por helpi tiun novicon; por tion akiri, ni povas kalkuli nur je niaj dek fingrojZ; tiuj provoj kalkulas je ĝia preteco pionire oferi sian temponZ.
7 (ntr) Fiksi sian konduton laŭ la valoro de iu persono aŭ objekto; ne lasi sen konsidero: li estas tia malamiko, kun kiu ni devas kalkuli; la kongreskomitato ne kalkulis kun vizito al la muzeoj; ni devas kalkuli kun la kutimoZ.

=> cxiuj ekzemploj cxe 6 estas kun 'je' au 'pri' (nur unu), kaj cxiuj cxe 7 estas kun 'kun'.
Kaj cxi tie estas senco 6.

Estas multaj frazoj de vi kie devus esti 'je':
https://tatoeba.org/epo/sentenc...li+kun&from=eo
(Ja gxustas: Vi devas kalkuli kun lia spertomanko.)
https://tatoeba.org/epo/sentenc...as+kun&from=eo
https://tatoeba.org/epo/sentenc...lu+kun&from=eo
('kun spertomanko' gxustas)
https://tatoeba.org/epo/sentenc...is+kun&from=eo
Estas pli efike se vi trairas ilin, ol ke mi faru rimarkon cxe cxiuj.

Mi finas per ekzemplo por montri la diferencon:
Mi esperas pri kalkulado je vi, kaj ne kun vi. ;-)

Bart

Horus Horus January 29, 2021 January 29, 2021 at 2:32:06 PM UTC link Permalink

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This sentence was initially added as a translation of sentence #1317709Du kannst auf ihn zählen..

Vi povas kalkuli kun li.

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Vi povas kalkuli je li.

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