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shekitten shekitten March 9, 2020, edited March 9, 2020 March 9, 2020 at 12:02:08 PM UTC, edited March 9, 2020 at 12:11:37 PM UTC link Permalink

Counting 486 sentences by Amastan about separatists.

By contrast, you have written 13,296 sentences about Boston https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...&sort_reverse=

Even with the word Algeria, Amastan has only written 6,389 sentences about it. And that's a whole country, not one city.

Granted, I refuse to translate sentences that aim to suppress the aspirations of national minorities, especially indigenous ones. I can normally do this without leaving passive-aggressive comments on every sentence that doesn't conform to my personal wishes.

Amastan Amastan March 10, 2020 March 10, 2020 at 10:42:16 AM UTC link Permalink

@CK

I think you could be helping everyone by refraining from making remarks that nobody really needs. I regularly translate your sentences into Berber. That's why I honestly think that it would be much better if you spent time contributing more of your sentences instead of wasting time "reminding" me of things that you know very well I won't do.

So please don't waste your time lecturing me about what I should do on this website. Just take care of your sentences and let other people take care of their own stuff.

@shikitten

Thank you very much for your support. I admire the fact that you're a native speaker from the United States (the same country CK is from originally) and still, you defend the rights of people from other countries and languages to promote their cultures on this website. This is what truly honors the American nation and honors us all as fellow human beings.


Sifaks Sifaks March 12, 2020 March 12, 2020 at 4:31:40 PM UTC link Permalink

Thanks to Amastan, Tatoeba looks more and more like a tribune to intolerance and hate speech. I feel sorry for @CK

vikvaering vikvaering March 12, 2020 March 12, 2020 at 5:45:46 PM UTC link Permalink

I stand firmly with @CK on this issue.
'Boston' is used as a generic place name, so @shekitten's comparison falls apart. @Amastan is violating Tatoeba's rules by making blatantly political statements attacking several specific people in a childish manner. I refuse to believe that writing hateful or mean comments about other people is an integral part of his people's culture. Politics don't belong on Tatoeba.

Sifaks Sifaks March 12, 2020 March 12, 2020 at 7:31:25 PM UTC link Permalink

I agree @vikvaering
I put the Kabyle flag on my profil as many other kabyle contributor because it has been banned by Tatoeba's admins. As a Kabyle independantist, i feel myself regularly insulted in my freedom of thought on Tatoeba by @Amastan.
It is a shame that those behaviours are tolerated by Tatoeba.

Ooneykcall Ooneykcall March 13, 2020 March 13, 2020 at 12:18:05 AM UTC link Permalink

The point of freedom is actually that anyone can contribute anything. I'd much prefer this site to continue being uniquely tolerant to all sorts of linguistically valid contributions. However, I think it's unbecoming to speak ill of people behind their backs like that, not that you'd care.

Amastan Amastan March 13, 2020, edited March 13, 2020 March 13, 2020 at 6:47:36 AM UTC, edited March 13, 2020 at 6:48:49 AM UTC link Permalink

@vikvaering

I'm reporting facts that are part of Algeria's political scene and I don't see what's "childish" about that. Besides, the MAK group isn't the only separatist group in Algeria.

You said:

"'Boston' is used as a generic place name, so @shekitten's comparison falls apart."

As someone said a couple of years ago, Tatoeba doesn't have generic names, be they place names or personal names. This said, I myself don't care about any generic names and would love to enjoy the right to contribute sentences without using the generic name "Boston". After all, Boston neither has a supermarket called "Ardis," nor does it have a neighborhood called Bab El Oued, places that I visit regularly and that inspire me to contribute more sentences to this website.


Amastan Amastan March 13, 2020, edited March 17, 2020 March 13, 2020 at 6:54:49 AM UTC, edited March 17, 2020 at 11:54:42 AM UTC link Permalink

I'd love to ask you, guys, not to be a "thought police" keeping a close eye on a given contributor. You should leave contributors enjoy the freedom of contributing correct sentences as long as this doesn't go against Tatoeba's rules. I sometimes have the impression that I'm closely monitored by an army of Chinese, CIA and FSB intelligence agents on this website and I think that Tatoeba should guarantee a much friendlier and tolerant climate to its users and contributors.

Amastan Amastan March 13, 2020, edited March 13, 2020 March 13, 2020 at 7:05:32 AM UTC, edited March 13, 2020 at 7:06:27 AM UTC link Permalink

It all started with CK's remark. Apparently CK wants people to only translate nothing but his sentences and English sentences "proofread" and guaranteed by him and no one else. However I hereby declare (like some other Tatoeba users said a couple of years ago) that I'm not supposed to only translate sentences "declared as good" by him and I'd use just any proper nouns I like in my English sentences. Tatoeba doesn't have standard names and Tatoeba contributors aren't obliged to only translate CK's sentences.

Amastan Amastan March 13, 2020, edited March 13, 2020 March 13, 2020 at 7:13:12 AM UTC, edited March 13, 2020 at 7:13:38 AM UTC link Permalink

Besides, I too agree with the users who oppose the use of Tom and Mary as standard names. I don't feel concerned by that pseudo-rule. Trang herself stated that Tatoeba doesn't have standard names. Some contributors ignore that pseudo-rule. I have been ignoring it for some time and I will continue to do so.

I think that the Tatoeba corpus should be natural with words occurring in it as often as they'd occur in a natural corpus (written or oral). However, Tatoeba has more than 387,837 sentences with the name "Tom":
https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...rom=eng&to=und

And only 130,000 with the third person pronoun that replaces that noun:
https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...rom=eng&to=und

And yet, I think that, in any natural corpus, the pronoun "he" would occur much more often than any other personal proper noun.

Amastan Amastan March 13, 2020 March 13, 2020 at 7:18:02 AM UTC link Permalink

@CK

I'll ask you once again to stop asking me to translate your sentences and conform to your personal rules. I'm no longer interested in your personal rules, no longer interested in your views, no longer interested in your philosophy, no longer interested in your conception of the world, no longer interested in what's appropriate or not appropriate to you as far as English is concerned, no longer interested in your policy, no longer interested in your remarks regarding what to translate and what not to translate.

Please give me peace and may you enjoy a peaceful life :-)

Thank you!

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Fascists like Lakhdar Benkoula, Noureddine Khettal, Naima Salhi, Faycal Kerchouche, and the separatists have a very limited role on the Algerian political scene.

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