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dnnywld
0 minutes ago
Hi to all
In my opinion a slow but fully optioned site (search function is a must for those who want to learn foreign languages) is much better than a fast but (where i am?) site.
Hope to see last version reinstalled... anyway... these are only my two cents
TRANG
13 hours ago
** Disabled search and "Browse by language" **

As most of you know, in the past weeks the site has become slower and slower. From my investigations, the search feature and the "Browse by language" page are the most resource hungry, which is why those two features are currently disabled.

At the time I'm writing this, the website should no longer be slow, but at the cost of disabling two the of main features of Tatoeba, and I cannot guarantee these features will be back anytime soon.

I do have specific ideas of some changes that may improve the performance of the website, but I don't know if these changes will be enough. We may need to migrate to a new server. But before we consider this path, we have to try and see what can be optimized.

If you have strong programming knowledge and are reading this, and could help optimizing the website, please contact me. Or/and join our Gitter chatroom: https://gitter.im/Tatoeba/tatoeba2
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CK
CK
12 hours ago - edited 10 hours ago
This won't solve everyone's problem, but for those who want to browse English sentences with audio, you could temporarily try this.

http://study.aitech.ac.jp/browse/

These are 240,199 English sentences with audio by CK.

This is something I put online a couple of months ago.




There is also another option for browsing English sentences with audio, showing translations owned by native speakers.

http://www.manythings.org/sentences/audio/

These pages were generated in early 2016, so aren't up-to-date, but would still likely be useful for those who are looking for English sentences to translate into their own languages.

Depending on the time of day, this website may have a lot of traffic and be a little slow for you.
silvan
3 hours ago
Wow. Just so I'm clear, there's no longer a way for me to find sentence examples of specific words (in my case, mandarin ones) that I'm learning? Or is there some work-around I'm not seeing?
baudelaire
2 hours ago
What kind of use are we expected to do of the website if it is not possible to find sentences? It might sound like a rhetoric question, but it is not, I am really curious how are we supposed to interact with tatoeba now.
Sevolfo
2 hours ago - edited 2 hours ago
Honestly, I prefer a slow website. What's the point of a fast website if missing the main feature of all Tatoeba?
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sabretou
an hour ago
+1

I did not find the website any slower than normal before the update, and I don't find it any faster now. All I see is that Search is gone. Perhaps it would be better to redirect Search queries to Google site search queries while this problem exists, because I legitimately do not understand how Tatoeba can be useful to anyone without Search.
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Pfirsichbaeumchen
an hour ago
Tatoeba is significantly faster for me now. However, without the ability to find sentences, Tatoeba is bereft of its main feature.
aliaila
28 minutes ago
Possibly this was contributing to the problem, but I really didn't mind opening other pages and having them load in the background while I browsed another. Searching this site by Google isn't even half as fast and organized as that.
JimBreen
yesterday
I find I am practically unable to use Tatoeba any more. Recent changes to the interface ar causing a lot of problems. In particular:

(a) when I try and use any of my links to Tatoeba functions it asks me to to log in. The "Remember me" option simply doesn't work. Once I log in I go to some sort of front page with no way of navigating to the sentence I want.

(b) in the WWWJDIC system I have links to sentences and also to the functions for amending the sentence indices. I can no longer get to these, so I can no longer work on keeping them up-to-date (I just get sent to "login", over and over again") How can I get to a link like "http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentence...ow/21660"; which worked properly for years?

(c) in the past I could find sentences by searching for them using part of the text they contained. This has vanished. Why? It was extremely useful! As an example I want to get to this sentence: "サンプルは世界200の医療機関から収集された。" How can I do it?

Hoping for some assistance.

Jim
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JimBreen
yesterday
Hmm. Just after posting that I find it's started remembering that I've logged in. I wonder why it took a couple of hours to start doing that?
TRANG
yesterday
There has been no change made on the "sentence annotations" section. Everything should be working the same as before.

(a) Some people have reported issues with the "Remember me". We haven't identified what's the cause. It doesn't seem to happen systematically. I personally never had the problem so far. If you get logged out despite checking the "Remember me" option, you would have to just try again.

(b) If you cannot get to some sentences anymore, this may be because they have been deleted. The example you mentioned (#21660) is a sentence that has been deleted, as you can see in the logs.

(c) There is still a search box in the sidebar. From what I've tried, it is still possible to search. You probably cannot find "サンプルは世界200の医療機関から収集された。" either because it has been modified, or because it has been deleted.
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JimBreen
21 hours ago
Thanks, Trang. Now that I'm being "remembered" it's a lot better, and I can get the annotations pages again. I guess it's a cookie setting issue. I can see I (now) have a "CakeCookie[user]" set from Tatoeba. which will expire in 6 days. Fingers crossed that I can get it set again. Yesterday it took about 10 tries over several hours. Is there any way login cookies can be set to a longer period?

Re: "There is still a search box in the sidebar" - I can't see any sidebar. To you mean the search box at the top of the page? I can't use that at present as it's disabled (?). The sentence I quoted (サンプルは世界...) is still there - it's #216604. I just can't seem to locate it using a search function. I have to bring up another sentence, e.g. select a random sentence, and then put the number into the "Show sentence #:" box.
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bill
21 hours ago - edited 21 hours ago
Maybe it's because this sentence (#216604) is an orphan.
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JimBreen
20 hours ago
Should that ever render a sentence unsearchable? All the ~160,000 Japanese/English sentence pairs from the Tanaka corpus that were rolled into Tatoeba at the beginning were orphans to start with, and I guess many still are.
TRANG
14 hours ago
I thought you were referring to this search: http://prntscr.com/cmtzk7

For the general search feature, I disabled since yesterday it because the website has been very slow in the past weeks, to the point where it's almost unusable.

Cf. https://tatoeba.org/eng/wall/sh...#message_27277
and https://tatoeba.org/eng/wall/sh...#message_27267

I am not sure yet when I can re-enable it. It seems that with the growth of the database, the growth of visits of the website and possible as well because of the recent changes in the search feature, our server can no longer meet the demand.
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JimBreen
13 hours ago
Thanks. For searching for Japanese sentences I can do that elsewhere via WWWJDIC:
e.g. http://nihongo.monash.edu/cgi-bin/wwwjdic?10 and then access them in Tatoeba using the sentence number.

Sorry to hear about the load issues. They are a pain and once you are dependent on a big relational database there's not much you can do but throw expensive resources at them.
CK
CK
3 days ago - edited 2 days ago
** Stats - Members listed in the order of the number of sentences they own in their native languages. **

http://tatoeba.byethost3.com/stats-160924.txt

## 6,725 identified native speakers had native speaker sentences
## 1,154 (17%) of these usernames had over 100 native language sentences.
Pfirsichbaeumchen
12 days ago - edited 12 days ago
Tatoeba has been extremely slow for me.

Bug Report

When opening a Wall message in its own window and replying to it, the reply, while being submitted, is not displayed in that window. Instead, it seemingly disappears, which might lead people to believe that it had been lost.
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Aiji
11 days ago
I have the same problem. (using Firefox)
CK
CK
8 days ago
Perhaps @TRANG can add the same https://tatoeba.org/img/loading.svg that we see when we need to wait for things to happen elsewhere on the website.

This would let us know that the posting just didn't disappear and that we should wait.


DostKaplan
8 days ago
+1

Searches average about 20-30 seconds. :-(
bill
3 days ago
+1

It's taking forever to load the pages.
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LanguageExpert
3 days ago
I agree. Tatoeba's been slow on my computer for the past few weeks.
CK
CK
3 days ago
Wildcards in English Sentences - Demos

http://tatoeba.ueuo.com/wildcards/

ToinhoAlam
2016-07-28 18:24
Bug report: I can't change flag at the search page anymore. Only at the search page.

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AlanF_US
2016-07-28 23:34
?
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ToinhoAlam
2016-07-29 03:31
When I search sentences to translate and I add a translation directly at the search page I should be able to change flag directly there without the need to go to the sentence page if it's wrong. But I can't do this anymore.
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AlanF_US
2016-07-29 22:07
I don't see that problem. What browser and operating system are you using?
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ToinhoAlam
2016-07-30 02:06
Internet Explorer and Microsoft Edge on Windows 10 and Google Chrome on Android.
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AlanF_US
2016-08-01 11:44
I can't reproduce the problem on either IE on Windows 7 or Chrome on Android. If you're still seeing the problem, consider making a desktop video that demonstrates it.
Aiji
2016-08-02 09:03
I'm having the same problem on Firefox (Windows 7).
When I am translating from research pages (English audio not yet translated to French), if the auto-detect mistakes the language, I cannot change it directly from the page I'm currently translating. I have to open the page of the sentence to change it.
Aiji
6 days ago
This problem is solved for me. I can modify the language directly again!
I don't know who corrected it, or even if someone did it, but thank you!
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ToinhoAlam
5 days ago
I still can't :'(
sharptoothed
8 days ago
** Sentences & Translations Stats **

These stats have been updated:

http://tatoeba.j-langtools.com/transtop/

Graphs have been updated, too.

http://tatoeba.j-langtools.com/graphs.html
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Guybrush88
8 days ago
thanks
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sharptoothed
8 days ago
you're welcome :-)
TRANG
10 days ago
** Tatoeba update **

In preparation of tomorrow's update, if you have a bit of time, please test the dev website.
https://dev.tatoeba.org

Changes in this update are listed here:
https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/milestone/117

Thank you!


On a side note, I am aware the website has been much slower lately. I think this started about two weeks ago, I have no clear idea what is the problem at the moment.

There is an increase of visitors since the beginning of September, which may contribute to the slowness. The slowness may also be due to one or some of the changes that has been introduced in the previous Tatoeba updates. Or due to some technical issue with the server. Or due to the growing amount of data that Tatoeba has to handle. Perhaps a mix of everything.

I'll try to figure out but Tatoeba will probably still be slow for another few weeks, since slowness issues are usually not easy to fix.
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Guybrush88
10 days ago
The random sentence in the homepage disappeared even if I did not activate the option to hide it
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TRANG
10 days ago
This can happen when the search engine crashes. It normally restarts automatically after a crash so you should see the random sentence again after a few minutes, unless the search engine constantly crashes.
TRANG
10 days ago
Ah wait, you probably mean the random sentence on the dev website. This is because I disabled the search engine over there.
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Guybrush88
10 days ago
yep, I meant on dev. Thanks for the reply
Wezel
9 days ago
If the sentence info has to have a separate line, maybe it’s a good idea to place it under the sentence, not above it? It seems like the language and info icons are currently aligned with the sentence itself, and in short sentences they end up at the bottom of the header, which IMO doesn’t look good. I mean this:
http://i.imgur.com/qyZSAnf.png
I know that “doesn’t look good” is a bad argument, but still I don’t think it was intended to be like this.
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TRANG
9 days ago
The alignment is on purpose. It's made to be consistent with the future changes on the sentences design. I may change a bit the color of the info and increase the font size of the sentence in the comment, haven't really decided yet.

This is still in draft, but to give you an idea:
http://imgur.com/a/jnjLo
http://imgur.com/a/cEZ9p
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Wezel
9 days ago
Aha, I get it now, thanks.

I personally think that grey is really better because it allows the eye to concentrate more on the sentence itself and less on the info. Increasing the font would probably serve the same purpose, but maybe changing the colour is enough.
CK
CK
8 days ago
Some thoughts on this layout..

http://imgur.com/a/jnjLo

* It would likely be a good idea to put the flag at the end of the sentence and at the end of the translations, so it matches the UI of the new comments and and new contributions log on the main page. Or, change the location of the flag icon in the new comments and contributions log on the main page. Having a standard UI throughout the website would be better, I think.

* Are you planning on not using the avatar of the owner? It seems to me that if you think it's important enough to put an avatar on the contributions log, then it should also be on the individual sentence pages.

* Perhaps it might be a good idea to use the same "Sentence #NNNNNN - belongs to USERNAME" on the contribution logs, too. This would allow us to see how old sentences being edited are. Showing the "belongs to" in these logs would also allow us to see whose sentences are being deleted or edited.

* Perhaps the "info" icon on "translations of translations" should be gray instead of black. Maybe the text of the those sentences should be, too.

* Are you planning on making the ">" clickable, too? If not, then since the ">" is clickable elsewhere, it would likely be better to use another symbol. If you plan to make it clickable, then perhaps the same mark should be used whenever a sentence is displayed, so the UI is consistent throughout the website. My first impression was that you don't need to have 2 clickable links for each sentence, but I can see how it might be helpful to have a clickable link on the left for left-handed mobile users. I assume that one reason the "get info" link for jumping to another sentence on the contributions log was put on the right side was because it's perhaps easier for a right-handed person (the majority) to more easily click things with the right hand on a mobile, especially when only using one hand to hold the phone.

* It wouldn't really be necessary, but putting a small avatar (perhaps 20x20, the same height as the flags) of the owner in front of each translation might be useful for regular visitors. Regular visitors to the site might find this useful since they could more quickly judge the trustworthiness of translations. A lot of regular visitors learn who the native speakers are and learn to recognize avatars Showing the avatars on the translations is likely as useful as or more useful than showing avatars on the incoming contributions log.




Aiji
9 days ago
Just wanted to say that in the morning on Japanese time, so the Europe is sleeping and the U.S. is more or less at night, I don't really have slowness issues (just a little bit, but nothing painful most of the time). So the problem must be somehow related to the heavy activity the website has to endure at rush hour.
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AlanF_US
9 days ago
Yes, on Saturday night here in the eastern U.S., things seem much faster than they did this morning.
bill
9 days ago
Thanks for taking the time to work on those issues, guys. ;)
maaster
9 days ago
LOG IN - LOG OUT
I don't understand why do I have to log in Tatoeba that often. It's good for nothing.
When I write a longer comment or message or do something else that takes no long time, I must log in again each time.
If I want to log out, I just click on that sign. But I don't want to.
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CK
CK
9 days ago - edited 8 days ago
Which browser are you using?
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maaster
9 days ago
G. Chrome (I always use that)
TRANG
9 days ago
You will be automatically logged out after some time if you haven't checked the "Remember me" option while logging in.

The "Remember me" option relies on cookies, so if you clear your cookies, you will not remained logged in.
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maaster
8 days ago
I am trying to do that now. Tnx!
(I don't remember that I'd have deleted cookies.)
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