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Amastan
13 hours ago - edited 13 hours ago
To the person named CK,

I'd like the person named CK not to recommend users to ignore my sentences.

I think that the person named CK doesn't have the right to do that in public.

So I tell that person: please refrain from posting such scandalous messages.

I also would like that person to know that I'm denouncing this in public and I'm very displeased with this.
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Amastan
13 hours ago - edited 13 hours ago
This is what the person named CK said in a comment (he later deleted) about this sentence #3989509:

"Tommy,

I'd recommend ignoring a lot of this person's English sentences."

I publicly denounce this and I ask the person named CK to refrain from posting such messages in public.
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Selami
5 hours ago
+1
shanghainese
an hour ago
+1, with all the due respect to CK's otherwise productive contributions.
Ooneykcall
an hour ago
+0,5
There are people who do overestimate their abilities and end up producing rather distorted sentences that need a lot of work, distracting other contributors from more productive pastimes. However, there are also people who exhibit due diligence and care, and their error rate isn't much worse than that of native speakers, plus most of their mistakes are corrected quite easily. CK does not distinguish between the two types, apparently believing that either is acting in a way detrimental to Tatoeba. His reasons are plainly understandable, but I do not agree with them fully, since I see Tatoeba not only as a learning tool, but also as a way to exchange ideas (expressed in sentences). Original sentences in any language bar the most popular ones rarely get translated. Translating them into English (or any other popular language) to the best of one's ability may not yield perfect results, but, if good enough, it will do the job to convey the idea, and then a willing native - those exist - can come and see if the sentence is alright, and I don't see a problem with that unless the sentence is so garbled as to be incomprehensible and require significant reworking. Basically it's a question of whether the effort gone into checking is worth the contribution into the corpus that sentence makes. I'd say it is, as long as the occasional mistakes are easily correctable, which I believe has been the case for Amastan's English sentences so far.
Selami
5 hours ago
+1
Impersonator
3 hours ago
+1.
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Amastan
2 hours ago - edited 2 hours ago
I would like to thank all the users who support me.

There are many users who complain about similar messages sent by the same person, i.e. the person called CK, and I encourage other users to denounce such a practice which is counterproductive in a collaborative project like Tatoeba.

For a reminder, the project we are contributing to here is Tatoeba and not some other private project derived from it.

Kuraimegami
15 hours ago - edited 14 hours ago
Suggestion:

Start search-process by clicking a search-button (for the search by language page).

As far as I can tell it remembers my last search-options and starts searching sentences as soon as I call the search by language page. Furthermore if I want to change more than one search-option I have to wait after every change for the search to finish, to be able to change the next option. This seems like a waste to me. Or is it just me having this issue?
Pfirsichbaeumchen
2 days ago
Suggestion:

It would be great if there were some code for non-breaking spaces (e.g. "[nbsp]" or "&nbsp;") that would reappear when editing a sentence or any other editable piece of text.
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Glutexo
2 days ago
On Mac OS X, pressing space while holding ⌥ (option/alt key) produces a non-breakable space.
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Pfirsichbaeumchen
yesterday - edited yesterday
It's no problem to produce a non-breaking space (I do so by pressing Alt + 255). The problem is that when editing a sentence all previously entered non-breaking spaces disappear and are replaced by normal spaces. It would help if this no longer happened, and if non-breaking spaces were distinguishable from normal ones when editing, but of course not when displaying sentences. For example, they could be represented as "[nbsp]". If they could also be entered that way (in addition to the other methods), that might make it easier for members to use them.
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gillux
yesterday
When I edit a sentence that includes non-breaking spaces, they are not replaced by normal spaces. I think Tatoeba preserves spaces correctly. Note that however, Firefox replaces non-breaking spaces by normal ones when you copy and paste them: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/sh....cgi?id=359303 This causes many troubles to people who want to figure out the type of spaces that are displayed.
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Pfirsichbaeumchen
yesterday - edited yesterday
Would it be possible to make non-breaking spaces somehow visible in the editing window?
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gillux
yesterday
I’m not very sure, but it sounds quite difficult to me to make them visible while editing the sentence. Making them visible while *not* editing sounds more doable however.
Sasan65
yesterday
Hi I'm sasan and I have to pass IELTS exam with minimum score of 7.0.Please guide me how can I reach my goal. TKS
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Kuraimegami
yesterday
Look for sample tests and practice materials online. Figure out your weaknesses and study hard to overcome them. You can look up translations between english and your language that have been provided by nice people, but in general this is a database not a crash course. If you are confident in your english skills you are free to go ahead and translate into your language as some sort of practise.
AlanF_US
yesterday
You could check out the site Lang-8 ( http:://lang-8.com ). You can submit blog entries, and people will correct your mistakes.
Silja
4 days ago
Just thinking... Is there a reason why I don't get e-mail reminders when someone sends me a PM? When someone replies to me on the wall or comments one of the sentences I own, I do get an e-mail notification.
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sabretou
3 days ago
+1 I've always wondered this myself.
TRANG
3 days ago
It's just not implemented, but there is an issue on GitHub about this: https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/92
ricardo14
3 days ago
+1
Eldad
3 days ago
+1
TRANG
5 days ago
** Tatoeba update (March 21st, 2015) **

http://blog.tatoeba.org/2015/03...21st-2015.html


# Language levels in profile

We have an important new feature: you can now indicate in your profile the languages that you speak, learn or are interested in! We highly encourage everyone to list their languages in their profile with this new feature.

Many contributors have already indicated their languages in their profile description, but the information can now be stored in a more structured way, which will be useful to build other features around it:

* We can customize the languages displayed in the dropdown lists, and only display the languages that you have added in your profile.
* We can sort the translations to display in priority sentences in the languages that you know.
* We can sort the search results to give more priority to sentences added by native speakers.
* We can display the main language(s) of each contributor in the members list, or in the comments header, or in the sentences header.
* And so on...


# HTTPS

Tatoeba now supports HTTPS: https://tatoeba.org.


# Website interface

The website interface is now available in Lojban.
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alexmarcelo
5 days ago
C'est super ! Félicitations, Trang !
Ooneykcall
5 days ago
Please add the option to hide the language level list in one's own profile so we/I don't have to see it and get distracted every time.
Silja
4 days ago
Is it possible to masspost an e-mail to all the Tatoeba users and advice them to go and add their language levels in their profiles? I think it would be good to have the language level information from as many users as possible, also from the ones that are no longer visiting Tatoeba actively, but have possible added quite a few sentences.

Is it possible for the corpus maintainers to edit user's language levels? I'm thinking about situation where an inactive user has indicated their language abilities in their description, but hasn't added the language levels and is seemingly not going to do so. Then the maintainers could add the language levels when they come by with this kind of user's profile.
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TRANG
3 days ago
We currently don't have a way to mass send emails but I don't think it's really necessary to email everyone about it. Users will fill the information as we implement more features. For instance at some point we will restrict the languages in which you can contribute based on the languages that you have added in your profile.

I don't intend to allow anyone to edit someone else's language level, but instead to implement a system where each contributor can add evaluations of other contributors language level.
AlanF_US
3 days ago
I'm very glad this feature has been added.
eminko
3 days ago
SÜPER BİR SİTE TEBRİKLER(GOOD JOB)
pullnosemans
4 days ago - edited 4 days ago
hello fellow tatoebans.

after this conversation with pfirsichbäumchen and alexmarcelo, I thought I would just make the following suggestion public: http://tatoeba.org/fre/sentences/show/3975213

would anyone be interested in having a transcription tool that changes modern/medieval latin orthography into ancient and vice-versa? I'll just use alex' example here: there tool would have to be able to convert

Corona symbolum regum est.

into

CORONA•SYMBOLVM•REGVM•EST (possibly with spaces instead of dots)


this would be cool because latin has gone through various stages of different orthography without the language itself undergoing any real changes, so it's not like the different writing formats could directly be associated with different stages of linguistic change. none of them can really be considered any more legit than any other, so it would be great if different formats could be associated by the search engine. in the end, the situation is somewhat similar to e.g. the used of traditional vs. simplified chinese characters.

okay, so I'm advertising this right now, but I don't know anything about scripting. therefore, I hope I'll be able to raise some interest in the issue, which might motivate someone with programming skills to create the script. I have no idea how much work that would be, so if this suggestion is ludicrous, sorry. alex said it shouldn't be too hard, though. ;)

okayyyy
Vortarulo
4 days ago
Three questions about Burma:
1) The flag for Mon is wrong. It depicts the flag of a political party. The actual flag of the Mon State is this one: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wik..._Mon_State.svg (it says "Mon State" in Burmese in case you wonder).

2) Could we add Burmese? I sometimes consider adding a sentence in it. I know I can simply add some, tag them appropriately and then ask for it, but I haven't done so because of the next point:

3) Burmese is written in two ways on computers: in Unicode fonts (supported by newer Windows versions and also most newer Android phones), which works just great, and with a font like Padauk works just as well for other languages like Mon, Kayah Li, Shan, Pa'o etc. It's used by major news websites and other official websites in Burma.
And there is "Zawgyi", a non-Unicode font, difficult to use because you have to manually select different letter shapes according to the make-up of the rest of the syllable, which is a hassle and is done completely automatically by Unicode fonts. It doesn't support other languages of Burma (except Mon), it's old-fashioned and has only disadvantages. But the problem is: About 95% of Burmese people still use it. Potential contributors from the country will likely use Zawgyi fonts.

Depending on what you have on your computer, the other way of writing will display incorrectly for you. Here's a sample word ("Myanmar country") in both fonts for you to compare. The correct version should be the one with a little rounded "box"-like character around the first letter and a box on the second letter:

Unicode: မြန်မာနိုင်ငံ
Zawgyi: ျမန္မာႏိုင္ငံ

What do you suggest should be done? Use the wide-spread but horrible Zawgyi variant, or the modern but still not wide-spread Unicode?
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sabretou
4 days ago
Unicode all day, every day. There's no need to reinforce outmoded practices just because they are widespread. I imagine Myanmar is lagging behind because they only opened up communication to the internet recently? They will eventually have to get used to Unicode then, as similar non-Unicode solutions were once all across South and SE Asia, and had to be weeded out by the efforts of many app-makers, web designers and transliterators.

As for adding Myanmar, I believe Alan's current policy is to only add languages for which we have native contributors ready to consistently contribute sentences in that language.
cueyayotl
4 days ago
The people I was going to work with to add Mon sentences INSISTED on the current flag and that the flag you presented represents the oppression of the Myanmar government of the Mon people. Since they are no longer active, the flag may be changed as seen fit.
TRANG
6 days ago
I have updated the dev website (http://dev.tatoeba.org) with a new feature: languages level in the profile.

There will/can be a lot more things that can be implemented around this feature, but for now it's just a very basic feature for members to list the languages that they speak, learning, or are interested in learning.

Please take a bit of time to test it: go to your profile on the dev website, add/edit/remove languages. Give me your feedback.

If everything's alright it will be released this weekend.

Thank you.
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CK
6 days ago - edited 6 days ago
I would like to see one more addition which would allow those with more than 1 native language to indicate which is their strongest language. I'd also like the programming to make sure that only 1 language could be chosen for this level.

6: Native level - Strongest language


BTW, if you are logged in, you can jump directly to what TRANG has added with this link.
http://dev.tatoeba.org/eng/user/language
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TRANG
6 days ago
I don't think it's worth having this 6th option.

From my understanding you would like to have this option in order to
1. display the main language of each user in the members list
2. be able to sort users by language

About 1, there's no reason we should limit the display to only 1 language. If a user is a native speaker in more than 1 language, then we can display more than 1 icon.

About 2, what you really want here is to be able to list all the native speakers in a certain language. It's not a "sort" feature that you would need, but a "filter/search" feature. And that's among the next things that will be implemented. There will be a page where you can ask to show all the users who have added a certain language in their profile, and you can order this list by level.
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Silja
6 days ago
I'm missing a cancel button while adding and/or editing the languages.
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TRANG
6 days ago
That's noted.
Silja
6 days ago
+1 to CK's suggestion about the strongest native language.

Otherwise the feature seems to work fine.
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TRANG
6 days ago
> +1 to CK's suggestion about the strongest native language.

Do you a specific usecase in mind, where it is necessary or extremely beneficial to know the user's strongest language? (and that I have not mentioned in my reply to CK)
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Silja
6 days ago - edited 6 days ago
Most bilinguals/multilinguals have a dominant language that they can actually speak better than the other(s) language(s). The dominant language can change through time and in different circumstances. For a real life example, I have a friend who's bilingual speaking Finnish and Swedish. Swedish was the first language she learned at home and she acquired Finnish later. She had her education in Swedish, and while she was in school her dominant language was Swedish.

Now that her school years are way back and she mostly works in Finnish environment and most of her contacts (friends, husband) are speaking Finnish, her dominant language has switched to Finnish. She was actually worrying about her deteriorating Swedish skills the other day. But still she can say that she is bilingual and knows both Swedish and Finnish in native level.

For me to know this is the same thing to know as to know if the person is speaking some language in intermediate level or advanced level. I don't think that we should just leave it for the users to remember to mention about the strongest/dominant language in details. That's why I'm for adding a new category as CK suggests. Some people call this also the language of heart, ie. the language through which you can communicate your thoughts in most detailed nuances and express your feelings the best.
sabretou
6 days ago - edited 6 days ago
I like it a lot, especially the Details field. I agree with CK's suggestion.

Edit: I can't think of what the "0: Almost no knowledge" level can be useful for. I can think of half a dozen language I have "almost no knowledge" of, but stating those really wouldn't serve much purpose here on Tatoeba. After all, I have almost no knowledge of them.

If a user is actually learning a language (or studied it at some point), then "1: Beginner" sounds good enough.
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Pfirsichbaeumchen
6 days ago
+1
TRANG
6 days ago
About the value "0", it would be the case where you just started learning a language, or are simply curious about a language.

This language list can be used in the future to customize the language dropdown lists, or the order in which the translations are displayed on your interface. So it needs the possibility for users to add a language that they have almost no knowledge of, but are still somewhat interested in.
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Silja
6 days ago
Could the explanation be then a bit longer? Something like "Almost no knowledge, but I'm interested to learn it".
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TRANG
6 days ago
> but I'm interested to learn it

That's what "Details" is for :)
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Silja
6 days ago
True! :)
Guybrush88
6 days ago - edited 6 days ago
Personally I think it would be better if a message telling "level not selected" (or something similar) would be displayed if you decide to save a language without selecting any level, instead of displaying automatically 0
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TRANG
6 days ago
If someone decides to add a language without mentioning their level, then it may be worth just as much as someone adding a language in which they have almost no knowledge.

Obviously it's not the same thing, but I don't think that at this point it will bring anything to make a difference between these two situations.
tommy_san
5 days ago
This feature would further complicate this problem: http://tatoeba.org/wall/show_me...message_21859. Now there would be two pages and three "save" buttons. You wouldn't be able to change your languages by clicking "Edit profile" in the top menu.
Isn't it possible to have only one page and one "save" button? I think something like this http://prntscr.com/6jc397 would be more convenient (the screenshot is from http://www.interpals.net/). It also has the advantage of not having to load a new page lots of times.

I'd also like to be able to move the languages of the same "level" up and down to show which language I know better. If you make sure that users name their languages in order of competency, that would solve the problem mentioned by CK and Silja.
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TRANG
4 days ago
> Isn't it possible to have only one page and one "save" button?

It's rather easy to group the description with the rest of the profile info (name, country, birthday, etc), but it would be complicated to also include the languages in there.


> I'd also like to be able to move the languages of the same "level" up and down

I've also been thinking about this when I was coding the feature, but I wasn't sure and am still not sure how to implement it. I'm also not sure if it's the right solution for CK and Silja's request. I think the need to have this 6th option is due to the lack of precision of the scale. If users were able to choose from 0 to 10, then Silja's friend could choose 10 for Finnish and 9 for Swedish.
I don't have plans to implement a more precise scale at the moment though.
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