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I think most of nonong's sentences should be deleted or rewritten. They're too long and when translating his sentences into other languages, they would usually go longer than the limit.
https://tatoeba.org/zh-cn/sentences/of_user/nonong
Agreed. Also, the length of the entries keeps users from attempting to translate them. Content-wise they're good sentences, mostly. Is there a way to somehow automatically split them up into single sentences?
It will not help. Firstly, it breaks the context. Maybe it keeps users from translating them, but when sentences have more content, it makes them much more interesting for readers and language learners. And secondly, it will not change anything, because this limit is still not mentioned in any guidelines or site rules and there is no any kind of character counter when we add sentences. So I don't even know when my text will be too long and will be cut because of it . And this problem will happen again and again. But even if we could change it, there will always someone who wants to write a text with all permitted characters. So I think that the number of permitted characters should be different for translations and original sentences (more for translations). To me that seems like the most correct solution.
> I think most of nonong's sentences should be deleted or rewritten. They're too long and when translating his sentences into other languages, they would usually go longer than the limit.
Sentences are deleted only when they break site guidelines, such as when they:
- attack community members
- break copyright or license rules
- are of poor quality and cannot easily be fixed
Sentences are generally rewritten on an individual basis, to correct errors that have been pointed out in comments. Breaking up a collection of sentences, either manually or automatically, is infeasible for a variety of reasons.
Long sentences create a bunch of problems. They tend to go uncorrected, so they often contain errors, subtle or otherwise. As their length increases, so does the probability that they will contain something that is difficult or impossible to translate, rendering the entire content untranslatable. And, as you have noticed, translations are likely to be long as well. Even if your translation does fit within the maximum number of characters, it's quite possible that someone who translates your sentence will not be able to do so within the limit.
There is a simple solution: don't translate long sentences.
Tatoeba is not only for translations. It is also useful to find examples of usage in a single language only.
If other contributors are adding long sentences, it probably means they are useful to them. Maybe they are not useful to you, but it doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be on Tatoeba. What should or should not be on Tatoeba is a totally different thing than your own needs.
If you don’t want to see long sentences, you can filter them out from the search by setting a maximum number of words.
While there is definitely a place for long sentences or walls of text, I think three concise sentences are much more useful (and the better option): one sentence containing the key word, and two sentences providing context or illustration.
E.g. for the word 'car': ''He got into the car. The dashboard lights flickered for a moment. He exhaled slowly, deciding whether to drive away or go back inside.''
Tatoeba was updated today. What’s new?
- New interface language Chinese (Taiwan) using traditional characters, thanks to the tremendous translation efforts of @LeviHighway. Levi also helped identifying UI strings problems which have been fixed and now benefit to all UI languages.
- New features and minor tweaks to ease moderation work by admins. In particular, admins can now edit all the fields of users’ profile.
- User status change now have immediate effect. For example, if you are promoted to advanced user, you won’t have to logout and login to get the new status.
- The random "blackholed request" issues are hopefully/mostly solved, but it may still happen since these are difficult to identify.
- Attempting to edit a vocabulary item in a way that results into a duplicate now display an error message, thanks to a contribution from @nmleuz
Technical details: https://github.com/Tatoeba/tato...e/301?closed=1
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I've noticed that a decent quantity of the languages on Tatoeba have flags with poor rendering. This isn't a common issue with languages that have more sentences written in them (a notable exception being Spanish), but it increases rapidly with a decrease in sentences in a language (71 of the 100 smallest languages by sentence count have the issue, while only 39 of the 100 largest languages by sentence count have the issue). I was wondering if this is a known issue, and if it's considered an issue at all.
yeah, technically all flags should use an svg version. we should add them as long as we can get them.
I'd be happy to source some from Wikimedia.
Spanish - https://commons.wikimedia.org/w..._de_España.svg
Arabic - https://commons.wikimedia.org/w...c_language.svg
(I don't see a more accurate-to-the-original version online, but I didn't look that hard.)
Serbian - https://commons.wikimedia.org/w..._of_Serbia.svg
Slovak - https://commons.wikimedia.org/w...f_Slovakia.svg
Yiddish - https://commons.wikimedia.org/w...aleph_flag.svg
Korean - https://commons.wikimedia.org/w...outh_Korea.svg
Belarusian - https://commons.wikimedia.org/w...of_Belarus.svg
Ido - https://commons.wikimedia.org/w..._Ido_(new).svg
Latvian - https://commons.wikimedia.org/w..._of_Latvia.svg
Icelandic - https://commons.wikimedia.org/w...of_Iceland.svg
Azerbaijani - https://commons.wikimedia.org/w...Azerbaijan.svg
Breton - https://commons.wikimedia.org/w...f_Brittany.svg
Uyghur - https://commons.wikimedia.org/w...ayraq_flag.svg
Galician - https://commons.wikimedia.org/w...of_Galicia.svg
Ossetian - https://commons.wikimedia.org/w...th_Ossetia.svg
Georgian - https://commons.wikimedia.org/w...of_Georgia.svg
Turkmen - https://commons.wikimedia.org/w...rkmenistan.svg
Basque - https://commons.wikimedia.org/w...ue_Country.svg
Estonian - https://commons.wikimedia.org/w...of_Estonia.svg
Croatian - https://commons.wikimedia.org/w...of_Croatia.svg
Old Prussian - https://commons.wikimedia.org/w...evivalists.svg
(This is the same flag, but renamed.)
Kirundi - https://commons.wikimedia.org/w...of_Burundi.svg
Udmurt - https://commons.wikimedia.org/w...f_Udmurtia.svg
Lingala - https://commons.wikimedia.org/w..._the_Congo.svg
I was just providing a list of flags that I could find as an SVG for languages that don't have flags in an SVG format.
In the past, every single language icon had poor rendering, that is to say all were an image of 30×20 pixels. We are working to redesign them to vectorized (SVG) equivalents, but not all the icons have been converted yet. (Despite the files are SVG, many of the SVG simply contain a raster image).
You contributions to the redesign effort are very welcome. Currently, 154 out of 429 language icons are vectorized.
The Spanish flag could be improved, but we do not want to include every single intricate detail of the flag, since it is mainly displayed as a tiny icon.
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