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mi wile e ni: soweli_Elepanto li jan wawa pi sitelen tatojepa.
(oh, i need to get into toki pona again)
listelisteliste...schau doch mal hier: http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences_lists/index
da kannst du listen von sätzen anlegen. nenn die liste "sätze, die moskbnea übersetzt haben möchte", setz sie auf nicht-öffentlich (das heißt, sie ist einsehbar, aber nur von dir editierbar und fertig ists.
ich meine, es gibt den tag "@translation request" für diesen zweck. außerdem gibt es die möglichkeit, listen anzulegen. sicher wäre es auch möglich, das ganze als teil des nutzerprofils zu implementieren, aber ob das die wahrscheinlichkeit erhöht, dass die verlangten übersetzungen auch passieren, bleibt fraglich.
auf was beziehst du dich hier?
ich glaube, die meisten deutschen wissen, ob sie gerade hochdeutsch oder dialekt sprechen/hören, da hochdeutsch nun einmal das ist, was an den schulen gelehrt, von allen größeren (meist auch den regionalen) rundfunk- und fernsehsendern, ämtern, behörden und in fast aller schriftichen kommunikation benutzt wird. zwar finden sich auch hier gelegentlich dialektale einsprengsel, aber die gängigsten einsprengsel fremder dialekte sollten allen deutschen mit ein wenig sprachlichem bewusstsein genauso bekannt sein wie die hochdeutsche version. das einzige mir bekannte element, das eine wirkliche spaltung und gröbere missverständnisse hervorruft, ist das hier angedeutete: http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/1229607
ich bleibe übrigens dabei, dass namen schall und rauch sind.
>many Germans, such as you, are actually bilingual in their own country...
was genau meinst du damit?
zum thema: namen sind schall und rauch. es ist völlig unerheblich, wie man eine s(pr)ache nennt, solange man weiß, was gemeint ist. genau genommen müsste deutsch hier übrigens hochdeutsch (standard German/High German) heißen.
füge doch einfach die (wenigstens auf deutsch möglichst korrekten und unverworrenen) sätze zum corpus hinzu. dann übersetze sie und schreibe einen kommentar mit dem inhalt "@needs native check" zu jedem satz. danach wartest du auf kommentare von anderen.
EARTH! FIRE! WIND! WATER! HEART!
Everyone: Go Planet.
By your powers combined, I am Captain Planet!
it´s both easier to understand and easier to misunderstand as "The meaning is not important, as long as your translation says some things similar to the original sentence."
so...how about replacing the "About translations" by "IMPORTANT"?
and how ´bout "Please only add translations that sound natural to you."?
yep, the word-for-word bit should be mentioned. but to have it as the only hint to what kind of translations one should do, seems not enough to me.
conerning the tags: yep, they´re useful, but only trusted users and mods can apply them to a sentence.
to make a long story shorter again: "We know it's difficult, but do NOT translate word for word!" may mislead people to translate _very_ freely.
i´d rather say "Be sure to translate as accurately as possible. If you think your translation does not sound natural or does not entirely transport the meaning of the original sentence, please reformulate it, ask for help or add the sentence and leave a comment to have it reviewed." or something similar.
as i´ve just been told, "Me gusta bien" no existe en español...my bad teacher´s fault.
nonetheless the "gern" from the german sentence does not appear in neither the english nor the spanish version.
i totally agree with "The idea is to find the most natural way of saying something."
my point is that mostly there are multiple ways of translating a sentence to a natural sounding counterpart. of those sentences some will be more close to a word-by-word-translation, some less so. thus, by _only_ saying that people should not translate word-for-word, one does on the one hand keep them from adding unnatural sentences but on the other hand to some degree encourage people not to stick to what the original sentence said. i stick to my point here:
word-by-word-translations are the best - given_that_they_sound_natural_in_both_languages.
some examples: http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/227 - should be "Me gusta _bien_ ..." in spanish and "I relish/fancy candlelight." in english. or the german sentence should be "Ich mag Kerzenlicht."
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/613652 - either "Nancy kann keine Lüge erzählt haben." or "Nancy cannot have lied."
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/54622 either "Hazlo de esta manera." or "Do it like this."/"Mache es so."
all the existing translations are natural, but could be closer to the original - while still being natural sentences in both languages.
i hope, i´ve made a bit clearer what i mean. word-for word translations that don´t sound natural aren´t of any use. but one could put that in better words.
they are not...he´s been dead for over 600 years.
thumbs up! thx a lot!
well, i´m a fan of magister perotinus´.
i´m lucky: his lyrics are all in the public domain and thus are addable to tatoeba. kylie´s aren´t :P
which, i think, i´ve never used up to now :)
thanks!
i have a little problem with "Wir wissen, dass es schwierig ist, aber bitte übersetze NICHT wortwörtlich!" - "We know it's hard, but don't translate word by word.", which is shown here http://tatoeba.org/deu/activiti...late_sentences
this may keep people from looking for a good mix of literal translation, transport the meaning and sounding natural.
perhaps something like "We know it is hard, but try to find a translation that is as literal as possible while still transporting the meaning and sounding natural."
after all, word-by-word-translations are the best - given that they sound natural in both languages.
how can i change the language of the interface? if i put "eng" or "fra" in the place where "deu" is now, either the page won´t load or it automatically switches back to "deu".