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AntonKhorev AntonKhorev August 9, 2021 August 9, 2021 at 11:50:16 PM UTC link Permalink

What's the point of not letting users delete their own accidentally submitted sentences? It's easy to submit a sentence accidentally.

For example, I pressed enter here to create a new line. If I press enter in the sentence input, it's going to submit whatever unfinished input I had there.

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GlossaMatik GlossaMatik August 10, 2021 August 10, 2021 at 1:39:03 AM UTC link Permalink

If you accidentally submit a sentence, you can click the trash icon on the add sentence page to delete it, or click the pen icon to edit it.
This is really a bit troublesome, it will be saved directly when you press enter. Before it is improved, maybe we can use /, like a new line in a poem?

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AntonKhorev AntonKhorev August 11, 2021 August 11, 2021 at 4:51:37 AM UTC link Permalink

> you can click the trash icon on the add sentence page to delete it
No, I can't. If I go to https://tatoeba.org/sentences/add , there's no sentences added by me or anyone else.

> click the pen icon to edit it
This is not deleting.

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AlanF_US AlanF_US August 12, 2021, edited August 12, 2021 August 12, 2021 at 2:47:32 AM UTC, edited August 12, 2021 at 2:49:28 AM UTC link Permalink

GlossaMatik may have assumed that you were already on the "Add sentences" page when you added the sentence that you now want to delete. In that case, you will still see the sentence, and will have an opportunity to delete it. But even if that's not true, you can find your sentence by going to "My sentences". Note, however, that if you have selected "Display sentences with the new design" in your settings, you may need to click on the "Expand" icon (triangles pointing up and down) in order to see the trash can icon.

If hitting the Enter key did not submit a sentence, it would solve the problem of premature submission but would get in the way of people who like the fact that they don't have to introduce an extra step (such as switching from the keyboard to the mouse) in order to save a sentence. If we changed things so that a slash was required to submit a sentence (which is not what something that interfaces generally request), we'd have to communicate this, and it's hard to imagine how.

Thanuir Thanuir August 11, 2021 August 11, 2021 at 12:24:27 PM UTC link Permalink

Jos lisään lauseen liian aikaisin, muokkaan siitä vain jonkin toisen lauseen, jonka olisi lisäämässä. Jos se sattuu olemaan jokin lause, joka jo löytyy tietokannasta, yhdistyvät nämä automaattisesti samaksi.

TRANG TRANG August 14, 2021 August 14, 2021 at 10:56:32 PM UTC link Permalink

Users can delete sentences their own sentences, but only if the sentence has no translation. In your case, I suppose you accidentally added a *translation*, in which case you would indeed not be able to delete it, since it is linked to anther sentence.

It was implemented this way mostly because it was the easiest way to prevent accidental deletions of sentences that have dependencies to other sentences.

If you were an advanced contributor, you could unlink your translation, then you could delete it. But as a regular user, at the moment, you either have to post a comment to request the deletion of the sentence (or you contact via PM someone who has more permissions).

We could probably readjust the conditions to allow anyone to delete their own sentences that are linked to only one other sentence (in addition to those that are not linked to any sentence). I haven't thought in depth about it, but I don't think it would cause any issue.

I created a GitHub ticket for this: https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/2830

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terrywallwork terrywallwork August 15, 2021 August 15, 2021 at 11:58:32 AM UTC link Permalink

Good idea :)

Objectivesea Objectivesea August 14, 2021 August 14, 2021 at 10:41:20 AM UTC link Permalink

Feliĉan naskiĝtagon, Lisa! Mi tre ŝatas viajn frazhelpon kaj proponojn, kaj mi esperas ke vi ĝuos kaj la tagon kaj la tutan jaron.

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Pfirsichbaeumchen Pfirsichbaeumchen August 14, 2021 August 14, 2021 at 1:30:45 PM UTC link Permalink

Multan dankon pro la afablaj vortoj kaj deziroj okaze de ĉi tiu tago, kara Erik! Mi ĝojas, ke tion, kion mi faras, miaj amikoj ĉe Tatoeba trovas helpa. Por tio indas klopodi. 🙂

soweli_Elepanto soweli_Elepanto August 14, 2021 August 14, 2021 at 8:58:29 AM UTC link Permalink

Feliĉon al vi dum via nova jaro, kara Lisa!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnufDaD1XbQ

lbdx lbdx August 14, 2021 August 14, 2021 at 7:33:14 AM UTC link Permalink

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soridsolid soridsolid August 11, 2021, edited August 11, 2021 August 11, 2021 at 9:55:03 PM UTC, edited August 11, 2021 at 9:57:13 PM UTC link Permalink

Question about Latin (or perhaps any language that uses hyperbaton)

Should we use hyperbaton in our translations into Latin?
If you don't know what hyperbaton is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbaton
Basically, it separates words that belong together, which is possible in Latin because it's an inflected language, e.g. making it easy to tell which adjective belongs to which noun.

An example:

ENGLISH SENTENCE: The big man gave the stupid girl a book.
Simple translation: Vir magnus puellae stultae librum dedit.
Literally: [big man stupid girl book has given]
---------------Hyperbaton example: Magnus puellae vir stultae librum dedit.
--------------------------------------------Literally: [big girl man stupid book has given]
''man'' and ''big'' are separated, and ''girl'' and ''stupid''.

Another example:

ENGLISH SENTENCE: I received two letters from you yesterday.
Simple translation: Duas epistulas a te accepi heri
Literally [two letters from you I received yesterday]
------------------Hyperbaton: Duas a te accepi epistulas heri
-----------------------------------Literally: [two from you I received letters yesterday]
''two'' and ''letters'' are separated

I'm asking because it's extremely common in classical Latin literature, as well as later periods. They may e.g. indicate emphasis or contrast.

Pro: the learner will eventually run into sentences like these when reading classical prose (or poetry) anyway, so it would be good preparation, or if not aimed at learners, a good representation of real Latin prose.
Con: Hard to parse for beginners and perhaps unusable for machine translation engines.


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AlanF_US AlanF_US August 12, 2021 August 12, 2021 at 3:09:02 AM UTC link Permalink

If good sentences in a standard variant of a language commonly display a feature, then it is a good thing for there to be sentences at Tatoeba that display that feature as well. We do not segregate "beginner" sentences from "advanced" sentences. Beginners will profit from knowing that such sentences exist, and even if they can't immediately parse such sentences, they will probably learn how to do it soon enough. The same is true for machine translation engines.

It would be possible for people to add a "hyperbaton" tag to sentences that contain that feature, but whether doing it systematically is feasible is a question that can't be answered without more input from the people who add Latin sentences here.

Selena777 Selena777 August 12, 2021 August 12, 2021 at 10:31:52 AM UTC link Permalink

Nice to know about this interesting feature. As I could understand from the description, hyperbaton needs for emphasing some words. So, if you're planning to translate from English into Latin, I guess it's not easy to find sentences in English, which meaning let to use it. If you find them, it will be cool.

superiorinsurancefra superiorinsurancefra August 9, 2021, edited August 9, 2021 August 9, 2021 at 10:41:21 AM UTC, edited August 9, 2021 at 10:43:26 AM UTC link Permalink
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CK CK August 8, 2021 August 8, 2021 at 3:08:11 AM UTC link Permalink

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wedget wedget August 6, 2021 August 6, 2021 at 10:02:07 PM UTC link Permalink

Hi I'm very new here, as in I created an account not two minutes ago, so sorry for noob question. I checked FAQ already.
Is there some reason I can only create a vocabulary request in English? I want to request a sentence for vocabulary in Spanish that doesn't have a sentence yet or only one poor-quality sentence. I changed the language setting to Spanish from the drop-down menu on my profile, but it still only allowed me to request English vocab.

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Guybrush88 Guybrush88 August 6, 2021 August 6, 2021 at 10:13:03 PM UTC link Permalink

first of all, welcome to Tatoeba :)

After having added Spanish to your profile, try to reload the vocab page to check if the new language appears in the list now.

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wedget wedget August 6, 2021 August 6, 2021 at 10:26:42 PM UTC link Permalink

Thank you :))
Yes that was exactly what was needed. I jumped the gun a bit in my "avidez" (eagerness - the word I want a sentence for haha).

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Yorwba Yorwba August 7, 2021 August 7, 2021 at 9:18:52 AM UTC link Permalink

There are already a few more examples using "avidez", but they haven't been translated yet, so they only show up if you search without specifying a translation language: https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...ery=avidez&to=

lbdx lbdx August 7, 2021 August 7, 2021 at 7:39:10 AM UTC link Permalink

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