I'm just always genuinely confused about having to rate anything on a scale of 1 to 5. When it comes to languages, I don't want to overstate my knowledge; I'd rather understate it.

Colognian (Kölsch) can be added because it has an ISO 639-3 code (ksh) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colognian, However, Zheijiang doesn't have one - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhenjiang_dialect. You can request SIL to add a code for this language - https://iso639-3.sil.org/code_tables/639/data.
Hope I have helped you.

This problem (and especially wuu/shanghainese) have been discussed and partially solved in that thread https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/1670 but there is still some work to do. As much as we’d like to fix all the language names, each renaming needs to be studied with insight from native speakers and contributors. I suggest contacting sabretou if you want to help or inquire about it.

As Ricardo mentions, the decisive factor is the ISO 639-3 code. While Colognian is grouped within Ripuarian, only Colognian has an ISO 639-3 code, so someone who speaks non-Colognian Ripuarian will either need to petition SIL for a separate code assignment or assimilate with the Colognians or they're SOL.

That means that, in theory, the language corresponding to ISO 639-3 "wuu" should be named "Wu Chinese" on Tatoeba. However, as one of the languages added to Tatoeba before we had a sane "not our problem, go bother those bureaucrats instead" solution to the language/dialect distinction problem, Shanghainese gets some special treatment. There's a very old TODO comment about this in the source code: https://github.com/Tatoeba/tato...esLib.php#L305

This could be solved by getting individual ISO 639-3 codes assigned for various subvarieties of Wu, but the only person so far who requested SIL to make such a change did a really bad job fulfilling the formal requirements and the request was rejected. You can read the change request and the rejection notice here: https://iso639-3.sil.org/request/2019-063

So until someone makes a successful second attempt, we'll have to use tags instead. There's a tag for the Suzhou dialect with 14 sentences: https://tatoeba.org/zh-cn/tags/..._with_tag/1864 There may be others.

If it bothers you that there are sentences in Suzhou dialect listed as "Shanghainese", we could rename it to "Wu Chinese".

Same goes for the total number of sentences.
Lo mismo pasa con el número total de oraciones.

When I look at my sentences, the number of total sentences doesn't show.
Cuando veo mis oraciones, no se ve el número total de oraciones.
https://tatoeba.org/spa/sentenc...user/DJ_Saidez

I looked into this problem. It happens because of a mistranslation of the Spanish UI. The date is translated here: https://www.transifex.com/tatoe...urce/186665868 (this link requires a Transifex account). The total number of sentences is here: https://www.transifex.com/tatoe...urce/163036559

You are welcome to improve the Spanish translation if you’d like. See the instructions here: https://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/art...ce-translation

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I'd be curious to know how the people on this list choose the sentences that they review and then mark OK. Do they consciously or unconsciously focus on any of the following? (Notice that here I'm using "native" as shorthand for "self-identified native-level".)

- sentences by non-native speakers who have explicitly requested reviews of their sentences in general
- sentences that non-native speakers have specifically asked to have reviewed
- sentences by non-native speakers in general
- sentences by particular speakers
- shorter sentences
- longer sentences
- sentences of interest to beginning learners (simpler structure/vocabulary)
- sentences of interest to advanced learners (more advanced structure/vocabulary)
- sentences with audio
- sentences that they themselves have written

A related question: do you use any means to try to randomize the sentences you consider, such as using a random sort criterion rather than a default ("relevance") or "shortest sentences first" criterion?

I worry that people inside and outside Tatoeba will use OK tags or ratings as criteria for deciding that sentences are particularly worthy of being selected/studied, or the absence of such tags/ratings for deciding that they are not worthy. There is already a high correlation between shorter, simpler sentences, and sentences that are selected for audio recording, and if these are also the sentences that preferentially receive OK tags/ratings, I am concerned that the diversity of sentences and coverage of vocabulary, here and in projects that use our corpus, will suffer.

In my case, I generally mark sentences OK only when the author has requested that they be checked. However, this does not mean that I think they're more suitable for use than other sentences that I think are OK but have not been singled out for review.

Please understand that I salute people for caring enough about the quality of our sentences to take the time to review them. I just would like to know how people are selecting the sentences that they are considering.

I don't care about these ratings, only the 'unsure' and 'not OK' marks say something to me.

CK, you mark your own sentences as OK, and because of it you can't filter out such mistakes like extra words, letters in the wrong place... the same rate like a real double checker could.

Cool I'm exactly 100th

Even as someone who's spoken Spanish from birth and still speaks it now and so should've theoretically mastered it, I've mixed up my genders plenty of times
But then again I sometimes mess up pronouns and names in English with the people around me (calling my brother "she" and my mom "Dad") so maybe it's just that my head stuffing needs changing
Plus my language development was odd so I'm sorta English-dominant now

I can see what you mean about some words matching the stereotypes of masculine and feminine. Volcanos are strong and powerful, while butterflies are delicate and aesthetically pleasing. I personally don't think a lot like that since I'm not a huge fan of gender roles or stereotypes, and linguistically I've gotten used to the singular definite article "the" that fits every word. I mostly guess what gender each word is based on what it ends in, and obviously it doesn't work all the time (el día, el problema, la radio, la canción)

If everything would go my way in my Spanglish speaking world, I'd use "the" for everything and not worry about what gender each word is. I think that if some people adhere strongly to classifying each word to a gender, it's promoting a rigid system of everything being predefined to the standards of the past and the status quo, with not much wiggle room. Granted, that's a bit of a philosophical stretch, but that's how I see it.
Also, it's too much work for me to memorize the gender of each and every word.
So no, in my case at least, the gender doesn't consciously give me an idea of the noun, most of the time. Subconsciously it's still there sometimes, but that might tone down in a few years.

I do wonder what true Spanish-speaking natives would say about this.

As far as I know, the Wall is OK for discussion as long as it's productive and especially if it involves several people, if it turns into a longer, more personal convo between two users it might be better to switch it over to the DMs. But I'm a relatively newer user too.

In most cases I'm personally just used to using one article or the other and don't think about it. In others, however, it's true that I consider some things male or female due to this influence of the language (such as the sun or the moon). In the cases of animals we tend to use their biological gender to refer to them and as a cow will never be male (that would be a bull - el toro) it has the feminine gender, in the cases where the word refers to the animal without taking the gender into account such as el mosquito and la hormiga, there are el mosquito macho and el mosquito hembra, la hormiga macho and la hormiga hembra if you want to refer only to one particular biological gender, so seeing an ant doesn't make me think it should be masculine because I know there are both.

If I were to give every single letter a gender, instead of the all-feminine letters Spanish has, it might be: la a, la b, la c, el d, la e, la f, el g, la h, el i, el j, el k, el l, la m, el n, el o, la p, el q, la r, la s, el t, la u, la v, la w, el x, el y, el z.