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Eliahu21 Eliahu21 June 7, 2022, edited June 7, 2022 June 7, 2022 at 3:01:46 PM UTC, edited June 7, 2022 at 9:51:22 PM UTC link Permalink

I think you should use this proposed flag (in the link) to represent the Jewish Babylonian Aramaic language
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w...aic_Flag_5.jpg
Otherwise you can use this one:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w...ump-to-license

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Objectivesea Objectivesea June 10, 2022 June 10, 2022 at 8:45:01 AM UTC link Permalink

From a flag-design point of view, this is unnecesssarily complex. The two blue bars are very simple indeed, but the centre image, unfortunately, is in almost photographic detail. A good flag design should be able to be drawn by a six-year-old with two or three crayons and be recognizable after about five minutes of drawing. If you can drastically simplify the central design, it may work better.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vexillology

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Eliahu21 Eliahu21 June 12, 2022 June 12, 2022 at 10:54:06 AM UTC link Permalink

1. Can a 6 year old child draw the complex center image in the flags of Mexico, Belize, Spain, Serbia, Afghanistan, Vatican city etc., or the scary dragons in the flags of Bhutan and Wales?

2. This image is the title page in the Vilna edition of the Babylonian Talmud (the source of Jewish Babylonian Aramaic language), which became the exclusive version of the Talmud used by all Talmud scholars around the world, and this particular image became the most identified symbol with the Talmud and its language.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilna_Edition_Shas

3. The blue bars are indeed very simple, that's because it is a reference to the Israeli flag indicating that this language was spoken by jews and it is still widely spoken among the religious Jewish community today in Israel in their Yeshivas.

4. Speaking of vexillological point of view, I think this is far better than the alternative you currently using which is just two words on an empty background.

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Objectivesea Objectivesea June 13, 2022 June 13, 2022 at 11:55:59 AM UTC link Permalink

Some of the flags you mention have superimposed on them what is properly a coat of arms or a blazon. Often these highly complex flags are used only for special ceremonies or by special branches of a country's government, and a simpler design with two or three stripes but without the coat of arms will be used for everyday purposes. Regardless, when reduced to 30 x 20 pixels, flag designs reduce any highly detailed representations to an indiscernible blur.

Cabo Cabo June 11, 2022 June 11, 2022 at 7:39:48 PM UTC link Permalink

Indeed, those flags are way more complex to use them here.
If you check it, the flags are only 30 times 20 pixels large images.

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Eliahu21 Eliahu21 June 12, 2022 June 12, 2022 at 11:01:45 AM UTC link Permalink

I am not familiar with photo editing but surely someone who does can convert this file into the suitable size.

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TRANG TRANG June 12, 2022 June 12, 2022 at 11:47:58 AM UTC link Permalink

For your information we are evaluating your suggestions at the moment.

Here's the small size versions of your flags, with screenshots of how it would look like in your language profile:

https://imgur.com/a/WHVeQF6

Objectivesea Objectivesea June 13, 2022 June 13, 2022 at 11:48:40 AM UTC link Permalink

I've simplified the second design to remove the concentric circles of the impossibly small hebrew-style characters and enlarged the menorah as much as possible. You can take a look here:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/w...amaic_flag.svg

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Eliahu21 Eliahu21 June 13, 2022, edited June 13, 2022 June 13, 2022 at 12:50:55 PM UTC, edited June 13, 2022 at 12:52:32 PM UTC link Permalink

Very nice work, but I think it missing the point of symbolizing the Incantation Bowls which is commonly associated with the Jewish Babylonian Aramaic language, see:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incantation_bowl

I tried to reduce the size of the first flag here:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w...aic_Flag_5.svg

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CK CK June 13, 2022, edited June 13, 2022 June 13, 2022 at 7:42:16 PM UTC, edited June 13, 2022 at 7:42:50 PM UTC link Permalink

Remember for our use, any suggestion needs to work well at 30 X 20 pixels.

https://imgur.com/a/BcNzSFN

30 X 20 pixels - Eliahu21's suggestion - Objectivesea's suggestion - Part of the Bowl as a Flag

The third one is just an experiment to see how selecting part of the mentioned bowl to be used as a flag on tatoeba.org might look.

shekitten shekitten June 15, 2022, edited June 15, 2022 June 15, 2022 at 2:12:42 PM UTC, edited June 15, 2022 at 2:13:30 PM UTC link Permalink

Strong support for the incantation bowl flag. I'm aware my provisional flag is bad and *one* of the other proposed flags should be used.

TRANG TRANG June 30, 2022 June 30, 2022 at 6:06:07 AM UTC link Permalink

Based on all the responses, the language team's choice is to go to the incantation bowl flag.

The new language icon for Jewish Babylonian Aramaic will look like this: https://imgur.com/v1WBPnY

We will make this change in the next couple of weeks, if there are no objections :)

ecorralest101 ecorralest101 June 27, 2022 June 27, 2022 at 1:11:50 AM UTC link Permalink

This sentence please, Sentence #10842428

The word howdy should be eliminated, that's English. I would say it's better as:
Barka, mutanen.

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Cangarejo Cangarejo June 27, 2022 June 27, 2022 at 10:05:27 AM UTC link Permalink

Most sentences in Hausa are orphaned. You can just adopt them, edit them, and drop them again.

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ecorralest101 ecorralest101 June 27, 2022 June 27, 2022 at 2:44:50 PM UTC link Permalink

Thanks for your message.

ecorralest101 ecorralest101 June 27, 2022 June 27, 2022 at 12:48:53 AM UTC link Permalink

Please correct this sentence in Hausa Sentence #10811198
Wɗannan barayin.
It should be Waɗannan barayin. An a is missing.
I wrote a message some weeks ago but still no action taken.

sharptoothed sharptoothed June 26, 2022 June 26, 2022 at 7:43:05 AM UTC link Permalink

** Stats & Graphs **

Tatoeba Stats, Graphs & Charts have been updated:
https://tatoeba.j-langtools.com/allstats/

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maaster maaster June 26, 2022 June 26, 2022 at 7:51:19 AM UTC link Permalink

Спасибо.

AlanF_US AlanF_US June 26, 2022 June 26, 2022 at 6:27:59 PM UTC link Permalink

Thank you as always, @sharptoothed.

I'm trying to figure out why MUIRIEL suddenly jumped from position 3516 to position 82, despite the fact that she doesn't seem to have added any sentences in years, and only one of her sentences has been edited since April.

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sundown sundown June 26, 2022, edited June 26, 2022 June 26, 2022 at 10:07:37 PM UTC, edited June 26, 2022 at 10:11:20 PM UTC link Permalink

@AlanF_US I've translated and linked a number of MUIRIEL's sentences lately. Could that be (at least partly) the reason?

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CK CK June 27, 2022, edited June 27, 2022 June 27, 2022 at 12:18:58 AM UTC, edited June 27, 2022 at 12:25:57 AM UTC link Permalink

This is because all the sentences with audio files were not in the previous week's exported data (sentences_with_audio.csv), but they are in the most-recent export.

This should only be a temporary problem for this week's "Tatoeba Contributors Chart."
https://tatoeba.j-langtools.com...art/chart2.php

maaster maaster June 25, 2022, edited June 25, 2022 June 25, 2022 at 6:19:40 PM UTC, edited June 25, 2022 at 9:17:37 PM UTC link Permalink

Can be created a new menu item in the rolling down menu list, i.e. the last linkes/ linked sentences to my/XY's sentences?
I think that would be more interesting than many other existing menu items.
I never use some of them.

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CK CK June 25, 2022, edited June 25, 2022 June 25, 2022 at 9:31:41 PM UTC, edited June 25, 2022 at 10:09:01 PM UTC link Permalink

Try this link.

https://tatoeba.org/sentences/s...s_user=maaster

This will show the sentences most-recently added that have been linked to one of your Hungarian sentences. I realize that this isn't exactly what you want. However, this is something that is currently possible.

If you like the results, copy and paste the link into your profile page and you can easily access it whenever you want.

For others who want to do something similar, here are the parts of the URL, which you can change to match your needs.

.../sentences/search?
&sort=created
&trans_filter=limit
&trans_link=direct
&to=hun
&trans_to=hun
&trans_user=maaster


[added 30 minutes later]

Just for fun, here are similar links already set up for some other members.

New sentences linked to ...

Pfirsichbaeumchen's German sentences

https://tatoeba.org/sentences/s...rsichbaeumchen

marafon's Russian sentences

https://tatoeba.org/sentences/s...s_user=marafon

lbdx's French sentences

https://tatoeba.org/sentences/s...rans_user=lbdx

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maaster maaster June 25, 2022 June 25, 2022 at 10:03:20 PM UTC link Permalink

Thanks.

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marafon marafon June 26, 2022 June 26, 2022 at 1:18:58 PM UTC link Permalink

> New sentences linked to ...

Nice link, thanks!

diceree diceree June 23, 2022 June 23, 2022 at 11:38:10 AM UTC link Permalink

With the approval of the tatoeba team, I would like to introduce you to diceree - a web application that can help people learn foreign languages.

Diceree is based on the same idea as tatoeba - users write sentences in different contexts, add them to the study plans, and then learn the language with several methods implemented in the app. Now you can learn several languages (English, Polish, German, Spanish, Italian), but it's no problem to add more.

Diceree sentences and voice recordings are imported from the tatoeba library so you can search and use them.

The application is available for free. You can try it out: www.diceree.com.
It is a responsive web application, you don't need to install anything.

If you like diceree and have any questions or ideas for improving it, feel free to contact me.

CK CK June 21, 2022 June 21, 2022 at 11:17:37 AM UTC link Permalink

🍎 New Turkish Voice

Pinari has started off with contributing over 90 audio files.

https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...how/170243/und

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gillux gillux June 23, 2022 June 23, 2022 at 7:42:56 AM UTC link Permalink

Awesome! Thank you, Pinari. ♥

@CK I listened to a few sentences having two audio, and it looks like one voice has a much lower volume that the other. This must not be very practical for learners of Turkish to listen to. I think this could be fixed by applying some audio gain normalization filter. I am talking about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_normalization

Audio normalization can be done before uploading the audio, and it’s better to do it before any lossy compression, to avoid loosing quality by re-encoding the mp3. In other words, best is to record → normalize → compress to mp3.

I don’t know if that could fit in your workflow though. Do you directly upload mp3s that you get from audio contributors? What about audio from Common Voice?

Another approach is to add a replay gain value as metadata to an already-compressed audio, so that the player will apply the normalization filter at play-time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReplayGain. The downside is that if the player does not support it, it doesn’t work.

lbdx lbdx June 11, 2022 June 11, 2022 at 7:29:42 AM UTC link Permalink

** Tatominer **

Thanks to Thanuir, Guybrush88, Micsmithel, Selena777, small_snow, AlanF_US, Cangarejo, Yorwba, Auride, dnnywld, deniko, megamanenm, Sarchia, soridsolid, Ergulis, H_Liliom, tormented, aldar, hecko, samir_t, vintokrutov, GrizaLeono, sebek5000, marafon, glavsaltulo, Madina12, piterkeo, Sprakify, Yagurten, farzanshabani, Luornu, morbrorper, Idopauline, carlosalberto, maaster, cojiluc, ZegPhig, ddnktr and janTuki for their 520 contributions that helped move the project forward this week.You can find these new sentences at https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...how/169859/und

Check out top searched words that lack sentences or translations in your language at https://tatominer.netlify.app.

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Polgar1 Polgar1 June 14, 2022 June 14, 2022 at 9:35:05 AM UTC link Permalink

I think something went wrong - if I click the number next to the word, I get the sentences that DO HAVE translations to the target language, rather than the sentences that DO NOT. This used to work properly.

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lbdx lbdx June 14, 2022 June 14, 2022 at 10:08:57 AM UTC link Permalink

This is normal, to access the untranslated sentences, you have to click on the word itself.

I admit that it could be more intuitive. Also on this issue: https://tatoeba.org/en/wall/sho...#message_38606

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Polgar1 Polgar1 June 14, 2022 June 14, 2022 at 10:20:55 AM UTC link Permalink

Clicking on the word doesn't work at all if you have "any language" as the target.

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lbdx lbdx June 14, 2022 June 14, 2022 at 11:34:09 AM UTC link Permalink

@Polgar1 I am aware that this UI needs to get more intuitive. Please be patient, this is a work in progress.

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Polgar1 Polgar1 June 14, 2022 June 14, 2022 at 1:07:31 PM UTC link Permalink

Well, at the point where something works for some cases but not for others, I think it's really just a matter of choice whether we call it "unintuitive design" or "bug"...

lbdx lbdx June 15, 2022 June 15, 2022 at 10:05:21 AM UTC link Permalink

Following feedback from Polgar1 and AlanF_US, I simplified the links in Tatominer.

Now there is only one link per row and it leads to both translated and untranslated sentences. The links to the "add a sentence" page of Tatoeba have all been removed. Lastly, the "Any word" button has been generalized to all pages.

I hope this new design will be less confusing for newcomers 😀

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AlanF_US AlanF_US June 16, 2022 June 16, 2022 at 1:10:33 PM UTC link Permalink

It's also less confusing for old-timers. :) Thanks.

Selena777 Selena777 June 17, 2022 June 17, 2022 at 5:02:56 PM UTC link Permalink

Please return the option to add original sentences in a given language in Tatominer, not only translations.

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lbdx lbdx June 18, 2022 June 18, 2022 at 4:02:03 PM UTC link Permalink

I have included plus buttons that lead to the "Add sentences" page. I hope this works for you.

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Selena777 Selena777 June 18, 2022 June 18, 2022 at 7:43:48 PM UTC link Permalink

Thanks a lot!

Polgar1 Polgar1 June 20, 2022 June 20, 2022 at 3:49:56 PM UTC link Permalink

Nicely done! :)

CK CK June 20, 2022 June 20, 2022 at 12:01:02 AM UTC link Permalink

🍎 Longish English Sentences - Audio by Auride

https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...how/169883/und

Most of these have Japanese translations, since many are from the Tanaka Corpus.

ecorralest101 ecorralest101 June 17, 2022 June 17, 2022 at 9:59:11 PM UTC link Permalink

Can any of the corpora maintainers delete this phrase Sentence #10831317?
It's not a Hausa phrase.

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sabretou sabretou June 18, 2022 June 18, 2022 at 4:03:29 AM UTC link Permalink

I've switched the language to English, which should merge it with the existing sentence!

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ecorralest101 ecorralest101 June 18, 2022 June 18, 2022 at 1:33:40 PM UTC link Permalink

Thanks

ecorralest101 ecorralest101 June 18, 2022 June 18, 2022 at 1:49:12 PM UTC link Permalink

There are other phrases in Hausa that must be deleted because these are written in English.

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TWB TWB June 19, 2022 June 19, 2022 at 9:49:11 AM UTC link Permalink

@ecorralest101, thank you for reporting this problem. Upon review, this cross-lingual duplication problem appears to be limited to the following few sentences:

#10869724 Dunno. (hau)
#10831434 Darn! (hau)
#10888876 Land ho! (hau)
#10807181 The drawer is stuffed full of odds and ends. (hau)
#10875087 Hiya, kiddo! (hau)
#10872407 Gotcha. (hau)
#10858828 I'll see you all in a couple of hours. (hau)
#10853666 I found one. (hau)
#10865941 Do you feel responsible? (hau)
#10877422 As a child, I’d only wear trousers. (hau)
#10863727 I don't like watching tennis with people who don't know anything about tennis. (hau)
#10886997 Magnetic fields are invisible. (hau)
#10878118 The atmosphere here is unbelievable. (hau)
#10892226 Both drivers involved in the accident are Boston residents. (hau)
#10816196 We played on the beach. (swh)

All these sentences have now been deleted by the Horus bot (or are about to be).