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Veggur (7.183 þræðir)

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Áður en þú spyrð spurningu skaltu lesa lista algengra spurninga.

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duran duran 4. janúar 2012 4. janúar 2012 kl. 09:34:33 UTC flag Report link Tengill

Willkommen!
Welcome!
Hoş geldiniz!

aisdfnik aisdfnik 4. janúar 2012 4. janúar 2012 kl. 04:46:21 UTC flag Report link Tengill

Hey, I am new here and added a few sentences. I decided to wait for feedback before adding anymore; I want to know if I am doing this right.

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marcelostockle marcelostockle 4. janúar 2012 4. janúar 2012 kl. 05:16:22 UTC flag Report link Tengill

Hi!
We appreciate new contributors to the Corpus,
if you want to know how to make a good contribution, there's a useful and brief guide here
http://blog.tatoeba.org/2010/02...n-tatoeba.html
but the most relevant is probably just have the will to answer other users' feedback and have them in consideration.
I hope you enjoy your time in Tatoeba
Welcome!

marcelostockle marcelostockle 4. janúar 2012 4. janúar 2012 kl. 05:22:46 UTC flag Report link Tengill

It's also useful that you add some information about yourself in your profile, so we can know who you are, and what languages you can translate to and from.

PeterR PeterR 4. janúar 2012 4. janúar 2012 kl. 07:22:26 UTC flag Report link Tengill

Welcome to Tatoeba. Seems you are a native speaker of English,
but as marcelostockle said, it would help if you could add
some information about any other language skills you might have.

sacredceltic sacredceltic 4. janúar 2012 4. janúar 2012 kl. 07:45:11 UTC flag Report link Tengill

Bienvenue !

duran duran 4. janúar 2012 4. janúar 2012 kl. 05:13:53 UTC flag Report link Tengill

Thank you sysko. It's a little faster now.

sysko sysko 2. janúar 2012 2. janúar 2012 kl. 22:08:00 UTC flag Report link Tengill

The Server was done this last hour due to some change in the configuration of the server I've made.

Now the server should be more stable and a little faster (actually some bots were scanning the website regardless of the robot.txt and well other technical stuff)

Sorry for the down time of these days.

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Scott Scott 3. janúar 2012 3. janúar 2012 kl. 20:08:02 UTC flag Report link Tengill

Merci Sysko. Thank you Sysko.

Saney Saney 3. janúar 2012 3. janúar 2012 kl. 14:05:44 UTC flag Report link Tengill

Are there any vegans here? I started a list called "negotiation for a vegan meal", which can be tiring even if you use your mother tongue. Feel free to add and translate.

http://tatoeba.org/deu/sentences_lists/show/862

Sind hier noch andere Veganer_innen? Ich habe die Liste "negotiation for a vegan meal" (Verhandlung über eine vegane Mahlzeit) angefangen, was selbst in der Muttersprache ziemlich schwer sein kann. Viel Spaß beim Hinzufügen und Übersetzen.

duran duran 1. janúar 2012 1. janúar 2012 kl. 13:54:09 UTC flag Report link Tengill

Hi everybody.
I hope may God give you and your families health, happiness and money in 2012.
Happy New Years.

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Scott Scott 2. janúar 2012 2. janúar 2012 kl. 16:19:45 UTC flag Report link Tengill

I also wish everyone a happy new year and best health to the tatoeba server.

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duran duran 2. janúar 2012 2. janúar 2012 kl. 16:34:42 UTC flag Report link Tengill

Thank you, Scott. I wish the same things for you. Happy New Year.

Eldad Eldad 2. janúar 2012 2. janúar 2012 kl. 12:56:07 UTC flag Report link Tengill

Mutlu yeni yıllar, Duran.
Wish you a successful new year, with much health, happiness and prosperity. Take care!

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duran duran 2. janúar 2012 2. janúar 2012 kl. 16:31:26 UTC flag Report link Tengill

שנה טובה.תודה. Thank you, El. The most important thing for me is health. Everything you lost can be gained again. But I can't say the same thing for health. I tried to write in your language. But it's as difficult as Chinese.How is it written, from right to left or from left to right? I wish the same things for you. Take care.

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Eldad Eldad 2. janúar 2012 2. janúar 2012 kl. 16:34:38 UTC flag Report link Tengill

Excellent, Duran. It was written perfectly! It's written, as Arabic, from right to left, and it appears properly on the screen here.

Yes, you are so right about health. It is the most precious thing for us, actually. May we always enjoy good health, and happiness. Many thanks, Duran, and have a splendid year!

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duran duran 2. janúar 2012 2. janúar 2012 kl. 16:41:04 UTC flag Report link Tengill

Thank you for your wishes again. I hope We will live in a healthy way. Take care of your health. Bye till next time.:)

Vortarulo Vortarulo 1. janúar 2012 1. janúar 2012 kl. 17:52:19 UTC flag Report link Tengill

DIS chu' DatIvjaj SoH je. :)

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duran duran 1. janúar 2012 1. janúar 2012 kl. 19:49:46 UTC flag Report link Tengill

Danke.Ich weiß nicht Deutsch. Frohes Neues Jahr. Passen Sie auf sich auf. Good-bye.
I hope the sentences above are correct.

alexmarcelo alexmarcelo 1. janúar 2012 1. janúar 2012 kl. 17:46:56 UTC flag Report link Tengill

Obrigado, Duran!
Feliz 2012 a todos!

Felix sit annus MMXII! Gratias omnibus ago.

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duran duran 1. janúar 2012 1. janúar 2012 kl. 19:39:48 UTC flag Report link Tengill

Hi,alexmarcelo. I think you are from Portugal and you are Portuguese.I don't know anything to tell you
in Portuguese so I can say only OBRIGADO.
Happy New year. I hope 2012 will be a lucky year for you. Take care.

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alexmarcelo alexmarcelo 1. janúar 2012 1. janúar 2012 kl. 19:42:12 UTC flag Report link Tengill

Actually, I'm from Brazil, but we do speak Portuguese here! :)
Cuide-se, amigo!

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duran duran 1. janúar 2012 1. janúar 2012 kl. 19:58:54 UTC flag Report link Tengill

Eu entendi. Obrigado. Cuide-se, amigo!

I hope the sentences above is correct.

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alexmarcelo alexmarcelo 1. janúar 2012 1. janúar 2012 kl. 20:02:06 UTC flag Report link Tengill

They're perfect!

sacredceltic sacredceltic 1. janúar 2012 1. janúar 2012 kl. 17:39:29 UTC flag Report link Tengill

Bonne année à tous !
Feliĉan jaron al ĉiuj!

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duran duran 1. janúar 2012 1. janúar 2012 kl. 19:20:31 UTC flag Report link Tengill

Teşekkürler, sacredceltic.
Feliz Año Nuevo!
Happy New Year!
Mutlu Yeni Yıllar.
Take care, I hope 2012 will bring you happiness, health and money.

Shishir Shishir 1. janúar 2012 1. janúar 2012 kl. 15:47:50 UTC flag Report link Tengill

Mutlu yıllar Duran!
Happy New Year everybody!! :) ¡Feliz Año Nuevo! Urte berri on! Feliz Ano Novo!

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duran duran 1. janúar 2012 1. janúar 2012 kl. 19:16:14 UTC flag Report link Tengill

Teşekkür ederim,Shishir.
Feliz Año Nuevo.
Mutlu yıllar.
Happy New Year.

sysko sysko 1. janúar 2012 1. janúar 2012 kl. 14:06:51 UTC flag Report link Tengill

Happy new year to you too Duran and everyone

Bonne Année 新年快乐

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duran duran 1. janúar 2012 1. janúar 2012 kl. 14:38:23 UTC flag Report link Tengill

Thank you, sysko. The same to you.
Bonne Année,
新年快乐.

PeterR PeterR 1. janúar 2012 1. janúar 2012 kl. 19:07:36 UTC flag Report link Tengill

What happened to tatoeba yesterday? All texts had vanished---a technical hitch or was that just my problem ?

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sysko sysko 1. janúar 2012 1. janúar 2012 kl. 19:38:23 UTC flag Report link Tengill

Yep I was going to talk about it. The database server has stopped yesterday and for some reason didn't restarted. So as the website server itself was still there, Tatoeba was accessible but with no data. And as I was away from any internet connection yesterday, The problem has last enough long to be viewed.

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PeterR PeterR 3. janúar 2012 3. janúar 2012 kl. 10:27:47 UTC flag Report link Tengill

What a relief! I was worried when I saw the empty pages, felt deserted and actually feared for the survival of tatoeba data.

allmarangie allmarangie 30. desember 2011 30. desember 2011 kl. 23:52:56 UTC flag Report link Tengill

Is it possible to produce a list of the latest additions in any one language, I can't seem to see how?

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marcelostockle marcelostockle 30. desember 2011 30. desember 2011 kl. 23:58:41 UTC flag Report link Tengill

you can use
Browse -> Browse by language -> Sentences in: #My language# -> Show Translations in: All Languages

Scott Scott 31. desember 2011 31. desember 2011 kl. 00:16:00 UTC flag Report link Tengill

Or just click on the flag on the main page.

sysko sysko 1. janúar 2012 1. janúar 2012 kl. 13:43:59 UTC flag Report link Tengill

or menu , browse => by language then choose the language you want , they are ordered by adding time

wallebot wallebot 29. desember 2011 29. desember 2011 kl. 20:50:55 UTC flag Report link Tengill

Sentences without flag
http://tatoeba.org/spa/sentences/of_user/aztran
Turkish?
http://tatoeba.org/spa/sentence...fferent/page:5
Turkish?

How find sentence by user without flag?
http://tatoeba.org/spa/sentence...Tlustulimu/epo

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jakov jakov 30. desember 2011 30. desember 2011 kl. 20:42:59 UTC flag Report link Tengill

Finding sentences without flags by user is missing! Please ask Sysko to implement it!

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wallebot wallebot 30. desember 2011 30. desember 2011 kl. 22:44:18 UTC flag Report link Tengill

This is a goog thing.

But a write a private about lovetina spammer and I don't have answer for now.

Sysko, if you read this.
I like Finding sentences without flags by user.

Siento no escribir bien en ingles.

Merci beaucoup Sysko :)
PD:http://tatoeba.org/spa/user/profile/lovetina

CK CK 24. desember 2011 — breytt 30. október 2019 24. desember 2011 kl. 21:00:07 UTC — breytt 30. október 2019 kl. 05:35:39 UTC flag Report link Tengill

[not needed anymore- removed by CK]

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sacredceltic sacredceltic 30. desember 2011 30. desember 2011 kl. 14:44:41 UTC flag Report link Tengill

*** Warning: non-natives, fake accounts and tag manipulations ***

The lists provided by CK are deceitful for the following reasons:

1) It is titled "Untranslated English Sentences Owned by Native Speakers", although many of these sentences are owned by non-native speakers such as Swift, who is an Icelandic native speaker, not English native.
Somehow, CK decrees who is native and who is not, even for languages he doesn't speak...

2) His list of native speakers include fake accounts, such as CM.
Fake accounts are used by various users in order to abuse other users as to their nativeness (some obviously find this very funny to believe they outsmart people...) or to "OK" tag their own sentences by "natives" which are actually themselves, in order to bypass the rule that advanced contributors and corpus maintainers should not "OK" tag their own sentences.
I caught different corpus maintainers red-handed, having "OK" tagged their own sentences, even though they contained mistakes such as here http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentence...comment-133815
or here http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentence...comment-119088

3) the list of native speakers that CK maintains here http://a4esl.com/temporary/tatoeba/native.html is also deceitful.
For example, for all what he says, rene1596 is not a French native speaker.

I recommend to all users that they should not trust these lists nor any tags that are pinned onto sentences, since they are manipulated.
People should not trust profile details but rather analyse the proficiency of contributors based on their history and their ability to hold complex debates in their own language.
You may find jakov's script http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/101326 useful, since it shows the statistics of sentences for each user.
This is not guarantee though, since a few contributors own thousands of sentences in languages they are not natives in (such as Scott and Swift)
A good way to spot non-natives is that they tend to avoid long, complex sentences.

I also advise people to use jakov's script that enables to visualise sentence's timelines http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/121207
This enables to view the different manipulations of tags that have taken place on the sentences and spot the abuses.

Internet is a wild world. Beware!

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sysko sysko 30. desember 2011 30. desember 2011 kl. 16:49:31 UTC flag Report link Tengill

I don't have the times to answers to all your points, sorry for this, but for the OK tags you've quoted, at least for these two examples I don't think there's an abuse, let me explain why

As you can see the sentence was added at "unknow time", it's a sentence from the takana corpus, so not added by CK

CK has tagged them OK and then has owned it , because at the opposite of tags, the owner is always displayed , in search results, in random sentences etc. so if someone trust CK, he know he can trust the sentence (so after up to everyone to trust those they want)

So though it may be misleading as now CK is displayed as the owner, he was not the original author, and by consequence can to my opinion legitimately tag it as OK.

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sacredceltic sacredceltic 30. desember 2011 30. desember 2011 kl. 16:59:39 UTC flag Report link Tengill

I don't OK my own sentences or those I adopted. I think it is a perversion of tags and of the spirit of the service.

These tags having loose definitions, imposed without any debate by a handful of would-be dictators, have been manipulated by them over and over again.
In my view, they are entirely discredited.

>so after up to everyone to trust those they want

So we agree. These tags serve no purpose anymore.

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sysko sysko 30. desember 2011 30. desember 2011 kl. 17:13:35 UTC flag Report link Tengill

Actually there was a debate one year ago something like that about the tags, when Trang chose Swift to be the moderator that will take care of the tag clean-up

After as you said yourself, those you consider as being dictator are only a minority, so there's no reason to be fatalist and declare the tags dead. If you think there's a need to (re)open the debate about rules we all (or a majority among the trusted users) agree, especially for this OK tag, I would not stop you from starting a thread about this.

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sacredceltic sacredceltic 30. desember 2011 30. desember 2011 kl. 19:39:50 UTC flag Report link Tengill

Clean-up doesn't mean one-man definition, unknown to others...

sacredceltic sacredceltic 30. desember 2011 30. desember 2011 kl. 15:07:40 UTC flag Report link Tengill

Another way to spot non-natives, is that when they insert long complex sentences, they don't insert them as translations of existing sentences but as stand-alone, because they copied them most of the time from book quotes or sentences they found on the Internet...
The more actual translations a contributor created in a given language, the more probable he is a native speaker of that language...