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It looks like https://tatoeba.j-langtools.com/transtop/ does not do updates anymore.
That page was produced by @sharptoothed.
Het lijkt erop dat ik bij deze zin: Zin nr. 3923657 geen vertaling meer toe kan voegen.
De zin is correct.
The comment left on that sentence by @brauchinet should answer your question.
Is de naam van een bestaand persoon toevoegen politiek correct?
Plus het geven van een mening?
Zie: Zin nr. 10694983
Het gaat er niet om of ik het er mee eens ben of niet, maar is het toegestaan om elke naam hier in te vullen of alleen de naam van bekende personen?
Zie ook 4111307 en de vraag die daaronder staat: User55521
User55521
21 november 2019
Any chance we could do something with these sentences?
I'm by no means fan of Putin, but their existence makes some people think that Tatoeba is a laissez-faire zone where you can write anything. (E.g. it was used as an example that 'anything goes' on Tatoeba when discussing #8323072)
If the structure is considered an interesting example, maybe we could replace the name with some placeholder? (Ideally some fictional name that no one in the real world uses?)
Dat probleem sleept al jaren aan. De admins zouden de regel kunnen opleggen dat namen van persoonlijkheden niet toegestaan zijn. Maar wat doe je dan met de zin „Einstein was een genie”?
The first place to go when you have a question about rules and guidelines is to look at the Rules and Guidelines document:
https://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/art...how/guidelines
They can also be found via the "Tatoeba Wiki" link at the bottom of every page, and soon there will be a direct link in the same place.
The Rules and Guidelines say:
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Do not submit sentences that will antagonize contributors or readers.
Sentences in this category include but are not limited to those that:
attack or insult others due to their gender, ethnicity, color, sexual orientation, religion, political affiliation, or other membership in a group
attack or insult other Tatoeba contributors for whatever reason, such as a difference of opinion over what constitutes a legal sentence; such matters should be discussed elsewhere
attack or insult languages or countries
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Do not submit sentences that refer to Tatoeba contributors or other real people who are not public figures.
This includes positive and neutral statements as well as negative ones. The idea is that people should be able to contribute to Tatoeba without surrendering their privacy, and readers should be able to understand sentences without insider information.
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Einstein was a public figure, and no one is going to be antagonized by a statement that he was a genius, so we don't need to discuss such a sentence further.
The other sentences mentioned above have already been marked red, meaning that they don't show up in default searches or in downloads. Thus, they have been dealt with.
Hello @admins i want to request ISO 639-3 bbc Batak Toba
Please see the following page:
https://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/art...nguage-request
You can also find it via the "Tatoeba Wiki" link at the bottom of every page. From that page, go to "Requesting changes"/"How to Request a New Language".
By the way, Freddy, I just saw some of your sentences. Can you please correct them all and capitalize the first word in all the sentences? Sentences on Tatoeba should be written in the proper punctuation and capitalization.
Thanks and welcome! :)
Yes, and these sentences should be fixed before you add new ones. Thanks!
Hello @admins, my friend Ervin Hogdson sent a request for adding the Rama language. This is spoken in the Caribbean coast of Nicaragua, it's a Chibchan language. I don't know if here it the right place to ask, I hope I am not inappropriate. I just want to follow up. I also know you guys are too busy doing other stuff.
Thanks for checking in with us.
There is a page that covers the process of making a language request:
https://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/art...nguage-request
It's part of the Tatoeba wiki, which means you can find it by using the link "Tatoeba Wiki" at the bottom of any page.
From the introduction: "A new language should be requested only if the requester is planning to add a substantial number of sentences in that language."
Ervin should set up a Tatoeba account and follow the procedure described on the page.
Thanks. He has followed all the steps required. I will let him know that he needs to write more sentences so it is substantial for Tatoeba.
There may be some communication problem because it seems we have not received any request about Rama on team@tatoeba.org. If email does not work, your friend can also post the request here on the Wall.
Sure, I will let him know.
I extend my sincere thanks and appreciation to the dear Tatoeba team for adding the Tawallammat tamajaq language to their wonderful website. I hope you will complete the work by adding the sentences I have sent you. Many thanks and appreciation to the dear Tatoeba team.
@Ergulis
When translating a sentence into multiple languages with the invaluable help of AI, I not only improve my knowledge of those languages but also give Tatoeba users the pleasure of reading different interpretations (since every translation is an interpretation) of that text.
However, you also break the site policy, which can be seen under "Rules and Guidelines" (via the "Tatoeba Wiki" link at the bottom of every page):
https://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/art...tificial-intel
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Do not add sentences generated by artificial intelligence.
Generative artificial intelligence using large language models ("AI" for short) does not respect copyright. It also violates Tatoeba's central purpose of providing sentences generated directly by humans. Thus, adding sentences generated by AI is not allowed.
Does this include using AI to check grammar and naturality? As long as you don't add an AI rewrite of your sentence either?
I've prompted my LLM as follows
"the rules of tatoeba have changed to disallow sentences generated by AI. please don't rewrite any of my sentences, but just tell me what's wrong with them"
It responded
"Understood. For sentence checks, I’ll avoid rewriting your sentence unless you explicitly ask for a corrected version.
I’ll just tell you what’s wrong, for example:
“Wrong verb form,” “wrong case,” “unnatural word choice,” “missing article,” “not idiomatic,” etc.
And if a sentence is fine, I’ll just say it’s fine."
Is this an OK use of AI on Tatoeba?
I appreciate your flexibility and willingness to ask questions.
People should be taking steps to make sure that their sentences are as good as possible. Ideally they should be focusing on contributing sentences in languages they know very well, and also taking steps such as contacting a native speaker directly or marking their sentences "@needs native check" when they are uncertain about something. Catching errors is an acceptable way of using AI. In particular, it doesn't raise copyright concerns. However, if contributors find themself frequently having to rely on AI, it's a sign that they should focus on contributing sentences in languages they know better.
People should be taking steps to make sure that their sentences are as good as possible."
Does this mean that the final judgment on sentence quality rests solely with the sentence owner? Even if other contributors have objections, and even if the owner is not a native speaker—or perhaps has absolutely no knowledge of the language they are contributing to—should the final say still be left entirely to them?
That's almost the opposite of what I meant. I meant that people should take responsibility for making their sentences as good as they can, and the best way to do that is to only contribute in languages they know very well. They can also ask native-level speakers, or AI, for feedback, but that comes with problems, so it's best not to put themselves in a situation where they have to do that very often.
We do not have a principle that the final judgment on sentence quality rests solely with the sentence owner. That would be unworkable.
A IA e o Esperanto
Pedi ao Google Tradutor que traduzisse para o Esperanto a frase: "Que maravilha é a Inteligência Artificial!" Ele me deu: "Kiel mirinda estas Artefarita Inteligenteco!" Então lhe pedi que traduzisse, também para o Esperanto, a frase: "Que maravilha é o Intelecto Artificial!" E ele me deu a mesma resposta: "Kiel mirinda estas Artefarita Inteligenteco!" Deduzo, portanto, que não consta do dicionário da máquina a expressão "artefarita intelekto", que encontro em Tatoeba como a tradução correta (ou mais adequada) de "inteligência artificial". Já sugeri, inúmeras vezes, que essa IA adote "artefarita intelekto" como tradução de "inteligência artificial", mas até agora não obtive sucesso. O deepL, que às vezes gera traduções de melhor nível que as do Google, infelizmente não trabalha com o Esperanto, pelo menos na versão gratuita a que eventualmente recorro.
If you use something like ChatGPT or Claude, you can instruct it to always translate the phrase with "artefarita intelekto" and it will do it just for you.
https://tatoeba.org/zh-tw/user/profile/Adelpa
This user's behavior is making me a bit worried. He's contributing sentences in at least 12 languages including those they completely have no idea of.
This user has been emphasizing diversity, but personally I see no good of their behavior of mass addition to multiple languages.
This is a fair concern. As someone who contributes in a lot of languages (and asks AI to check the grammar and naturalness for me), I'd be willing to limit my contributions to conlangs, Latin, English, Spanish, Hebrew and Yiddish if everyone else does something similar.
I'd even be willing to limit to conlangs, Latin, and English (my native language) if everyone else limits their contributions similarly.
Apart from Adelpa, the user I can think of who most likely does something similar to me is @carlosalberto.
I believe that @carlosalberto is a man whose passion for languages is obvious. I also feel that his knowledge of languages he uses here on Tatoeba is true. Considering his age, I really appreciate his work. Also, his sentences are cool.
I'm afraid he isn't the only one here to do it. I wonder what Adelpa's native language is, as it isn't clear from his profile. Personally, I'm not irritated by such doings at all. In my opinion, it is everyone's business how they translate as long as the rules are observed.
I also think that those people probably use translators or AI because it is highly unlikely for someone to be fluent in so many languages. It's my speculation, though. The question is what motivates a person to translate in this way.
Rather than discuss other contributors on the Wall, it's better to resolve issues related to them by first communicating with them in private, but if that's not practical, you can can send an email to community-admins@tatoeba.org or a private message to TatoebaAdmins. See the "Code of Conduct" page:
https://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/art...t-bad-behavior
@Adelpa has enabled email notifications, so the fact that I've tagged him/her means that he/she should see this discussion.
I think my post might have been misunderstood a bit. I don't have issues with anybody; there is no reason for that. As I stated in my previous post, it is everyone's business which languages they translate.
I've been on Tatoeba since 2018, and it has never occurred to me to criticize someone's contributions here.
Once I saw some insulting sentences denigrating a nation or people, I marked them, and they have surely been dealt with, their authors included. Those are issues I have a problem with.
I want to say this community is more like a family to me. I enjoy being here. In my opinion, there is a friendly atmosphere on this platform, and members in general have a good mutual relationship; they respect each other.
I reacted just out of curiosity.
@AlanF_US
OK.
Thank you for your understanding.