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I’d like to start a discussion about how the Wall could be improved: https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/2519 (I preferred to use Github for text formatting.) Feel free to answer here or over there.
for now, the improvement I'd like to see the most for the Wall is this one: https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/2160
Without a proper search, it may become very long and annoying to search for information that has been already posted. From time to time, I'd like to search for some information, and, when I remember that it might have been already posted, it can be a quite long search to perform. This can be very helpful also for new users, in my opinion, since they would search for information in an easier way, if they have some doubts on how Tatoeba works.
Pidän itse keskustelupalstoista, mutta ne ovat poissa muodista ja toimivat harvoin hyvin. Harvat yhteisöt ovat riittävän eläväisiä, jotta keskustelun määrä pitäisi palstan elossa ja aktiivisena. Toisaalta keskustelupalstaa ei välttämättä ole sidottu tiettyyn yhtiöön. Saako keskustelupalstan tukemaan monia kieliä?
Monet yhteisöt ovat siirtyneet käyttämään Facebookia tai Discordia (jonka voi myös sillata irkkiin). Facebook on eettisesti epäilyttävä ja rohkaisee vahvasti oikeiden nimien käyttöön. Discord on yksityinen yhtiö, jonka käyttäjäkunta lienee pääosin länsimaista. Facebook ja Discord molemmat tukevat kohtuullista kielivalikoimaa.
I'm involved in a very active Discord community, and I have to say that I really like the features it offers for real-time and asynchronous communication. Starting a Discord server is not difficult, but of course it's another interface for everyone to learn. I still have trouble remembering how to use some of the features (e.g., easily switching to a private message history). Searching for text within messages is simple-just type in the search term (without quotes even) and you're given a list of messages with all of those terms. Click on the message in that list to jump to the section of the channel that has that discussion. Very handy.
Like Facebook, they also collect a lot of data on users. They do not as of this point use ads as part of the interface, but sell aggregated data. User can maintain anonymity easily.
@Thanuir, even though the server I'm on is US-based, there are many members from around the world. The time differences show up but it doesn't preclude participation from people in all parts of Europe, the Middle East, and Australia at least.
@gillux @mccarras Do you think we can set up an extra official channel for Tatoeba on Discord to have a clear idea of what we need/want for the Wall?
@Ricardo14, I like the idea of trying to work out what's needed for a wall, but taking it off the wall means that people who don't want to use Discord won't be in the discussion.
That said, it's easy enough to start a server on Discord. I'm happy to lend my server if people would want to chat there; I only use it for scientific collaborations. Slack might also be a good idea. I find that interface much easier.
I think a simple "no frills" forum built on CakePHP and integrated into tatoeba.org, so usernames are the same, would be better than moving offsite and would likely be better than the Wall.
A forum wouldn't have to have a full set of features, at least at first. We could have several categories for topics.
1. Questions about how to use tatoeba.org.
2. Discussions about possible improvements.
3. Announcements and progress reports.
etc.
I think the Tatoeba Project has outgrown the Wall for discussions. However, perhaps the Wall could be preserved for TRANG to make official announcements, similar to idea number 3 above.
I tried something similar with Telegram but didn't work too much. I'd like to give Discord a try :)
I don’t think we are going to host a forum anywhere else than our own servers. Using an external host comes with privacy concerns and doesn’t allow any kind of integration with the existing website. And I’m not particularly excited about Discord because it’s proprietary software.
Aside from the technical questions, how do you think a Tatoeba forum could look like?
1. Keskustelupalstan toivoisin olevan kiinteä osa Tatoebaa. Sama käyttäjätili jos suinkin mahdollista ja mieluiten etäisesti samanoloinen ulkonäkö. Uskon, että tämä madaltaisi kynnystä osallistua keskusteluihin palstalla. En toki ole alan asiantuntija, joten saatanpa olla väärässäkin.
2. Monikielisyys on tärkeätä. Tällöin voisi myös olla syytä lisätä mahdollisuus korostaa haluamiaan kieliä.
3. Keskustelupalsta sopii riitelyyn ja pitkiin pohdintoihin. Kysymys-ja-vastaus -tyylinen alusta sopisi paremmin selkeisiin vastauksiin ja ongelmanratkaisuun. Toisaalta Github on jo olemassa.
4. Edellinen keskustelupalsta, jonka käyttöliittymästä pidin, taisi olla Vanilla-pohjainen.
5. Yksinkertainen ja suoraviivainen käyttöliittymä on tärkeämpää kuin laaja kirjo piirteitä. Muuten palstaa käyttää vain muutama, eikä se palvele tarkoitustaan.