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blay_paul blay_paul August 27, 2010 August 27, 2010 at 12:19:33 PM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

Where's the link to the "lists" page gone?

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blay_paul blay_paul August 27, 2010 August 27, 2010 at 12:20:38 PM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

I see the page is still there, but there's no link on the top of the page anymore.
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences_lists/index

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sysko sysko August 27, 2010 August 27, 2010 at 12:23:33 PM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

Normaly it's in the dropdown menu browe -> browse by list ?

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blay_paul blay_paul August 27, 2010 August 27, 2010 at 12:58:22 PM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

Ah! Didn't spot that - I don't think I've ever used the
browse link since you redesigned the interface. :-P

sacredceltic sacredceltic August 27, 2010 August 27, 2010 at 11:46:29 AM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

Quelles possibilités existent-elles de relier 2 traductions quand on est propriétaire d'aucune des 2 ?
En effet, si A connait la langue 1 mais pas la 2, que B connait la 2 mais pas la 1, comment C, s'il connait les langues 1 et 2 peut-il indiquer qu'une phrase de A correspond à une autre de B ?

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sysko sysko August 27, 2010 August 27, 2010 at 11:52:58 AM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

les modos peuvents. Lorsque l'historique des ajouts / suppressions de liens seront facilement accessibles, on passera la fonctionnalité à tous les trusted users.

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sysko sysko August 27, 2010 August 27, 2010 at 11:53:17 AM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

*sera

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sacredceltic sacredceltic August 27, 2010 August 27, 2010 at 12:21:27 PM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

Actuellement, je dois adopter des phrases pour pouvoir les lier. C'est contraignant et pas tellement logique.
Je trouve que la possession du lien et la possession des phrases elles-même devraient constituer deux choses distinctes.
Je peux en effet faire un piètre rédacteur tout en étant à même de détecter une équivalence.

FeuDRenais FeuDRenais August 27, 2010 August 27, 2010 at 11:49:13 AM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

Il existe une façon... (mais je me tais)

blay_paul blay_paul August 27, 2010 August 27, 2010 at 9:23:11 AM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

Thurday WWWJDIC example update summary.

42 records deleted.
7 new records added.

lehtolaj lehtolaj August 27, 2010 August 27, 2010 at 3:41:00 AM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

To the Staatlanders in Senegal. We wish to read the current Djembe nrewsletter.

Swift Swift August 26, 2010 August 26, 2010 at 8:05:36 PM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

I really hate to do this, but I think we've come to the stage where some discussion and possibly action is needed.

User boracasli[1] has been very prolific in contributing to Tatoeba in the last few days and currently has some 1245 sentences assigned to him. His enthusiasm is notable and the number of sentences and languages in which he's contributed would be laudable if not for the persistent errors that I and other contributors have identified.

Making mistakes is one thing, but these are persistent and should have been a hint to boracasli that his level of English is hardly "nearly expert" as he indicates on his profile page.

Worse still is the fact that this user has not fixed many of the errors that have been pointed out or responded to comments and messages (I'm assuming I'm not the only one who's tried to contact him privately).

I'd firstly like to request the attention of the community to look through boracasli's contributions as these seem (at least in the languages that I understand) to be somewhat less reliable than the rest of the corpus.
<http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentence...ser/boracasli>

Secondly I'd like to ask the community for their opinion as to the appropriate action, particularly in this case but also in general. Should we consider setting up blocks to get users to pay attention to accepted best common practices. In cases where users seem more interested in adding sentences than ensuring their accuracy, orphaning suspect sentences en masse might do the trick.

[1] <http://tatoeba.org/eng/user/profile/boracasli>

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TRANG TRANG August 26, 2010 August 26, 2010 at 11:53:50 PM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

I can't think of a good reason to block a user unless they are clearly spamming. The problem with boracasli is that he (or she, but let's assume he's a 'he') doesn't seem to understand properly English (despite what his profile says), or he has deep communication issues, or both.

We would need someone who speaks Turkish to communicate with him and educate him about Tatoeba. It would seem a bit too harsh to completely block him from contributing, because I don't think his intentions are bad. If you're assuming that he really is 12 and he doesn't really understand English, then his behavior makes much more sense...

Anyone interested in learning Turkish? :D

Regarding the problem of him not correcting his mistakes, I think he simply doesn't understand that people are asking him to correct. Because he sometimes corrects them, such as here:
- http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentence...81060#comments
- http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentence...78338#comments
It seems that if you post anything more complicated than that, he will not understand what you want from him (except perhaps when you're pointing out that his sentence has a wrong language).

So let's first try to post only clear simple comments, like "text_with_mistake -> text_corrected", then see how it goes...

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Demetrius Demetrius August 27, 2010 August 27, 2010 at 12:28:34 AM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

> Anyone interested in learning Turkish? :D
By the way, most of the new sentence he has added are very simple and easy to understand, so they're good for people beginning to study Turkish. ;)

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FeuDRenais FeuDRenais August 27, 2010 August 27, 2010 at 12:37:05 AM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

As one of the two active Turkic language contributors apart from boracasli, I nominate Demetrius for this job.

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Demetrius Demetrius August 27, 2010 August 27, 2010 at 12:46:30 AM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

I don't agree with this nomination. Turkish is a language spoken in Germany. Since I'm learning German, I will do without Turkish. ;) Plus, I don't like purism, and Turkish people are known for their purism.

I think a person who knows other Turkic language well should start learning Turkish, because it's much easier to pick up a second language when you know a related one. ;)

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FeuDRenais FeuDRenais August 27, 2010 August 27, 2010 at 12:51:47 AM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

PM him (her?) in Tatar and see what happens...

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Demetrius Demetrius August 27, 2010 August 27, 2010 at 1:18:13 AM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

Min tatarça BIK naçar belim. My Tatar is not good enough for this. (That's why there are so many Tatar sentences about apples ;)

BTW, you can PM him/her in latinized Uyghur. ;)

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FeuDRenais FeuDRenais August 27, 2010 August 27, 2010 at 1:22:26 AM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

You know I *hate* Latinized Uighur...

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Demetrius Demetrius August 27, 2010 August 27, 2010 at 1:26:22 AM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

But it's much easier to copy-paste than Arabic script. :)

BTW, have you seen my comment about qazanda/qazangha?

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FeuDRenais FeuDRenais August 27, 2010 August 27, 2010 at 1:28:53 AM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

In any case, Uighur and Turkish are only about 50% similar... That could lead to some interesting communication. Maybe later.

Yes, I saw the comment and replied (right?)

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Demetrius Demetrius August 27, 2010 August 27, 2010 at 1:33:34 AM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

You've replied about the Qazan that is a capital of Tatarstan, not about the qazan that is a pot.

http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/441304

FeuDRenais FeuDRenais August 27, 2010 August 27, 2010 at 1:21:07 AM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

Indeed, there are very many apple-related sentences...

FeuDRenais FeuDRenais August 27, 2010 August 27, 2010 at 12:55:05 AM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

I DO have a $1 "Elementary Turkish" book on my shelf... But no, seriously, there must be a better way of doing this.

Demetrius Demetrius August 26, 2010 August 26, 2010 at 11:37:35 PM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

IMHO, since it's clear that he is online, but unwilling to change or discuss his sentences, moderators should be given the right to correct them immediately, not waiting for 2 weeks.

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FeuDRenais FeuDRenais August 27, 2010 August 27, 2010 at 12:26:19 AM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

Let's not be hasty here... "Clear" and "online" are two words that should rarely be used together in the same sentence.

FeuDRenais FeuDRenais August 26, 2010 August 26, 2010 at 8:23:09 PM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

I like your use of footnotes ;-)...

Personally, I think a mass-tagging, as blay_paul has suggested in another case, would be sufficient. Just @check them and leave it at that. Unfortunately, there aren't any active Turkish contributors on currently to validate his Turkish sentences (though they're *probably* okay). I say @check the ones that people have voiced concern over (notably the English ones, as I understand).

On a side note, I wonder if he's really 12...

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blay_paul blay_paul August 26, 2010 August 26, 2010 at 8:54:17 PM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

> I say @check the ones that people have voiced concern
> over (notably the English ones, as I understand).

And Japanese.

minshirui minshirui August 26, 2010 August 26, 2010 at 8:23:44 PM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

I've looked through most of his/her contributions in English, Hindi, Urdu, Mandarin and Cantonese to check for accuracy and have put comments in those sentences that didn't seem right to me. Thankfully, the number of non-Turkish sentences he has submitted is still very low. If he/she has been truthful about Turkish being a native language, we hopefully at least don't have all those Turkish sentences to worry about. However, many of the others need to be corrected or deleted.

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Pharamp Pharamp August 26, 2010 August 26, 2010 at 8:36:48 PM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

Thank you a lot minshirui :)

FeuDRenais FeuDRenais August 26, 2010 August 26, 2010 at 8:39:26 PM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

I took a look at the Russian/French. Most of them look okay to me.

boracasli boracasli August 26, 2010 August 26, 2010 at 11:27:18 PM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

When Lithuanian, Thai, Bosnian, Croatian, Quechua and Azeri will be added?

boracasli boracasli August 26, 2010 August 26, 2010 at 8:41:58 PM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/481792
please tag as "Azerbaijani"

FeuDRenais FeuDRenais August 25, 2010 August 25, 2010 at 6:19:13 PM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

Mass-tagging:

Is it possible? Can mods do it?

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blay_paul blay_paul August 26, 2010 August 26, 2010 at 7:21:57 PM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

Mass tagging - can we tag all boracasli's submissions as @check ? -_-v

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FeuDRenais FeuDRenais August 26, 2010 August 26, 2010 at 7:27:22 PM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

blay_paul brings down the iron fist...

Demetrius Demetrius August 25, 2010 August 25, 2010 at 11:20:57 PM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

I think a mss tagging ‘tag all sentences linked to this’ would be useful. I.e. if you see it's a ‘fact’, most linked sentences would usually be facts too.

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Swift Swift August 26, 2010 August 26, 2010 at 1:22:08 PM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

The same goes for quotes by people and from works ... though we should probably have an "original" tag as well to identify the source sentence(s).

sysko sysko August 25, 2010 August 25, 2010 at 6:20:33 PM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

I can do it, mods can't, if you tell what you want to do, I can see if it's possible or not:)
by the way there's now autocompletion on tag :)

sysko sysko August 25, 2010 August 25, 2010 at 6:21:16 PM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

By the way I need to make a mass tagging for CK already.

sacredceltic sacredceltic August 26, 2010 August 26, 2010 at 4:12:35 PM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

Mods can, but Rockers can't!

boracasli boracasli August 26, 2010 August 26, 2010 at 7:05:15 PM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

What language icons do you have, Trang Ho?

boracasli boracasli August 26, 2010 August 26, 2010 at 7:04:01 PM UTC flag Report link پرمالنک

http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/477178
please tag as Thai