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На территории России сайт Татоеба доступен только через впн? Это везде так или только в моем городе? Роскомнадзор не банил его официально. Возможно админы сайта тайно ввели политическую цензуру? Кто то знает ответ?
Скорее всего это проблемы подключения к сервисам, на которых стоит Tatoeba, что может быть вызвано блокировками РКН (будь то напрямую или косвенно). Я замечал, что сайт то открывается без проблем, то зависает, то не грузится без VPN вовсе. Вряд ли админы вводили цензуру.
Попросил роднюв Сибири проверить. Тот же результат. - белый экран подзеленым заголовком Татоебы. Если это проблемы сервисов - то по сути это цензура Гугла. Получается что Татоеба стоит на сервисах форумов и Гугл ее режет в рамках общего подавления форумов.
У меня наоборот Татоэба недавно заработала без vpn. А до этого несколько месяцев не работала. Живу в Сибири.
У меня аналогично в Поволжье.
Obsah tejto správy porušuje naše pravidlá, a preto je skrytý. Zobrazuje sa iba adminom a autorovi správy.
Obsah tejto správy porušuje naše pravidlá, a preto je skrytý. Zobrazuje sa iba adminom a autorovi správy.
It looks like https://tatoeba.j-langtools.com/transtop/ does not do updates anymore.
That page was produced by @sharptoothed.
it looks like he has not visited Tatoeba for quite some time, I hope he's ok.
@gillux
Then maybe official Tatoeba site could produce such stats?
Tatominer and Translated by Tatoebans have also ceased to update, and lbdx isn't responding to DMs. Unfortunate.
May I ask what is Translated by Tatoebans? I often see that list but I have no idea on what it is.
It was just all the sentences that had been translated by someone other than the person who added it. I found it helpful.
Het lijkt erop dat ik bij deze zin: Zin nr. 3923657 geen vertaling meer toe kan voegen.
De zin is correct.
The comment left on that sentence by @brauchinet should answer your question.
Is de naam van een bestaand persoon toevoegen politiek correct?
Plus het geven van een mening?
Zie: Zin nr. 10694983
Het gaat er niet om of ik het er mee eens ben of niet, maar is het toegestaan om elke naam hier in te vullen of alleen de naam van bekende personen?
Zie ook 4111307 en de vraag die daaronder staat: User55521
User55521
21 november 2019
Any chance we could do something with these sentences?
I'm by no means fan of Putin, but their existence makes some people think that Tatoeba is a laissez-faire zone where you can write anything. (E.g. it was used as an example that 'anything goes' on Tatoeba when discussing #8323072)
If the structure is considered an interesting example, maybe we could replace the name with some placeholder? (Ideally some fictional name that no one in the real world uses?)
Dat probleem sleept al jaren aan. De admins zouden de regel kunnen opleggen dat namen van persoonlijkheden niet toegestaan zijn. Maar wat doe je dan met de zin „Einstein was een genie”?
The first place to go when you have a question about rules and guidelines is to look at the Rules and Guidelines document:
https://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/art...how/guidelines
They can also be found via the "Tatoeba Wiki" link at the bottom of every page, and soon there will be a direct link in the same place.
The Rules and Guidelines say:
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Do not submit sentences that will antagonize contributors or readers.
Sentences in this category include but are not limited to those that:
attack or insult others due to their gender, ethnicity, color, sexual orientation, religion, political affiliation, or other membership in a group
attack or insult other Tatoeba contributors for whatever reason, such as a difference of opinion over what constitutes a legal sentence; such matters should be discussed elsewhere
attack or insult languages or countries
:::
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Do not submit sentences that refer to Tatoeba contributors or other real people who are not public figures.
This includes positive and neutral statements as well as negative ones. The idea is that people should be able to contribute to Tatoeba without surrendering their privacy, and readers should be able to understand sentences without insider information.
:::
Einstein was a public figure, and no one is going to be antagonized by a statement that he was a genius, so we don't need to discuss such a sentence further.
The other sentences mentioned above have already been marked red, meaning that they don't show up in default searches or in downloads. Thus, they have been dealt with.
Hello @admins i want to request ISO 639-3 bbc Batak Toba
Please see the following page:
https://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/art...nguage-request
You can also find it via the "Tatoeba Wiki" link at the bottom of every page. From that page, go to "Requesting changes"/"How to Request a New Language".
By the way, Freddy, I just saw some of your sentences. Can you please correct them all and capitalize the first word in all the sentences? Sentences on Tatoeba should be written in the proper punctuation and capitalization.
Thanks and welcome! :)
Yes, and these sentences should be fixed before you add new ones. Thanks!
Hello @admins, my friend Ervin Hogdson sent a request for adding the Rama language. This is spoken in the Caribbean coast of Nicaragua, it's a Chibchan language. I don't know if here it the right place to ask, I hope I am not inappropriate. I just want to follow up. I also know you guys are too busy doing other stuff.
Thanks for checking in with us.
There is a page that covers the process of making a language request:
https://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/art...nguage-request
It's part of the Tatoeba wiki, which means you can find it by using the link "Tatoeba Wiki" at the bottom of any page.
From the introduction: "A new language should be requested only if the requester is planning to add a substantial number of sentences in that language."
Ervin should set up a Tatoeba account and follow the procedure described on the page.
Thanks. He has followed all the steps required. I will let him know that he needs to write more sentences so it is substantial for Tatoeba.
There may be some communication problem because it seems we have not received any request about Rama on team@tatoeba.org. If email does not work, your friend can also post the request here on the Wall.
Sure, I will let him know.
I extend my sincere thanks and appreciation to the dear Tatoeba team for adding the Tawallammat tamajaq language to their wonderful website. I hope you will complete the work by adding the sentences I have sent you. Many thanks and appreciation to the dear Tatoeba team.
@Ergulis
When translating a sentence into multiple languages with the invaluable help of AI, I not only improve my knowledge of those languages but also give Tatoeba users the pleasure of reading different interpretations (since every translation is an interpretation) of that text.
However, you also break the site policy, which can be seen under "Rules and Guidelines" (via the "Tatoeba Wiki" link at the bottom of every page):
https://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/art...tificial-intel
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Do not add sentences generated by artificial intelligence.
Generative artificial intelligence using large language models ("AI" for short) does not respect copyright. It also violates Tatoeba's central purpose of providing sentences generated directly by humans. Thus, adding sentences generated by AI is not allowed.
Does this include using AI to check grammar and naturality? As long as you don't add an AI rewrite of your sentence either?
I've prompted my LLM as follows
"the rules of tatoeba have changed to disallow sentences generated by AI. please don't rewrite any of my sentences, but just tell me what's wrong with them"
It responded
"Understood. For sentence checks, I’ll avoid rewriting your sentence unless you explicitly ask for a corrected version.
I’ll just tell you what’s wrong, for example:
“Wrong verb form,” “wrong case,” “unnatural word choice,” “missing article,” “not idiomatic,” etc.
And if a sentence is fine, I’ll just say it’s fine."
Is this an OK use of AI on Tatoeba?
I appreciate your flexibility and willingness to ask questions.
People should be taking steps to make sure that their sentences are as good as possible. Ideally they should be focusing on contributing sentences in languages they know very well, and also taking steps such as contacting a native speaker directly or marking their sentences "@needs native check" when they are uncertain about something. Catching errors is an acceptable way of using AI. In particular, it doesn't raise copyright concerns. However, if contributors find themself frequently having to rely on AI, it's a sign that they should focus on contributing sentences in languages they know better.
People should be taking steps to make sure that their sentences are as good as possible."
Does this mean that the final judgment on sentence quality rests solely with the sentence owner? Even if other contributors have objections, and even if the owner is not a native speaker—or perhaps has absolutely no knowledge of the language they are contributing to—should the final say still be left entirely to them?
That's almost the opposite of what I meant. I meant that people should take responsibility for making their sentences as good as they can, and the best way to do that is to only contribute in languages they know very well. They can also ask native-level speakers, or AI, for feedback, but that comes with problems, so it's best not to put themselves in a situation where they have to do that very often.
We do not have a principle that the final judgment on sentence quality rests solely with the sentence owner. That would be unworkable.