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 GrizaLeono GrizaLeono 10 Ogos 2011 10 Ogos 2011 4:04:27 PTG UTC flag Report link Permalink

Mi skribus "en Kioto". Vidu NPIV ĉe la kapvorto "veni" sub "al~i".

pjer pjer 22 Ogos 2011 22 Ogos 2011 7:00:07 PTG UTC flag Report link Permalink

'al' kaj 'en' estas uzataj, fakte, certe li eniris en la urbon mem. Mi ne scias ĉu la japanoj prononcas 'kjoto' aŭ 'kioto'.
Amike

GrizaLeono GrizaLeono 22 Ogos 2011 22 Ogos 2011 8:22:13 PTG UTC flag Report link Permalink

Iu japano (mi forgesis lian kaŝnomon) proponis skribi "Tokjo", ĉar tiu vorto pli bone kongruas kun la japana prononco (supozeble temas pri la akcento). Mi starigis la demandon en la listo "la bona lingvo - redaktantoj". La propono estis malaprobata pro tio, ke "Tokio" estas jam delonge adoptita en Esperantujo.
Mi tute ne scias, kiel japanoj prononcas Kjoton aŭ Kioton. En tiu vorto la akcento ne ludas rolon. En interreto oni trovas 25-oble tiom da "Kyoto-j", kiom de "Kioto-j". Kvankam ne certas, ke la uzata ipsilono ĉiam egalas al la Esperanta jo.

 ondo ondo 22 Ogos 2011 22 Ogos 2011 8:33:20 PTG UTC flag Report link Permalink

La japanaj prononcoj estas Tookjoo kaj Kjooto, kie duobligo signifas duoblan longon de la vokalo. Sed kaj Tokio kaj Kioto ŝajnas esti plene akceptitaj esperantigoj (ambaŭ en PIV), uzataj ankaŭ de japanoj.

Vidu ekz.
pri Tokio:
http://homepage1.nifty.com/isha...o/gvidindx.htm
pri Kioto:
http://ha3.seikyou.ne.jp/home/setuko/turismo.html

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This sentence was initially added as a translation of sentence #301855He reached Kyoto on Saturday..

Li alvenis en Kjoto sabaton.

added by pjer, 14 November 2010
➜ #301855He reached Kyoto on Saturday.

linked by pjer, 14 November 2010
Li alvenis al Kjoto sabaton.

edited by pjer, 14 November 2010
➜ #620477Er kam am Samstag in Kyoto an.

linked by kolonjano, 14 November 2010
➜ #677138او شنبه به کیوتو رسید.

linked by pliiganto, 21 Disember 2010
Li alvenis en Kioto sabaton.

edited by pjer, 22 Ogos 2011
➜ #541854El sábado llegó a Kioto.

linked by marcelostockle, 12 Februari 2012
➜ #101838彼は土曜日に京都についた。

linked by marcelostockle, 12 Februari 2012
➜ #850779Hij is zaterdag aangekomen in Kyoto.

linked by PaulP, 26 November 2015