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CK CK 13-oktabr, 2021 13-oktabr, 2021, 7:46:51 (UTC) link Permalink

[#5598754] Say it ain't so. (mailohilohi)

Change your apostrophe to the straight one and your French translations will be merged with the original.


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sacredceltic sacredceltic 13-oktabr, 2021 13-oktabr, 2021, 8:23:13 (UTC) link Permalink

That's the only one available on my keyboard. What's wrong with it ?


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CK CK 13-oktabr, 2021, edited 13-oktabr, 2021 13-oktabr, 2021, 8:26:58 (UTC), edited 13-oktabr, 2021, 8:27:26 (UTC) link Permalink

The tatoeba.org duplicate-merging script will not merge sentences that are not 100% the same.

You could copy the original one, then paste it in as the edit.

That would work.


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sacredceltic sacredceltic 13-oktabr, 2021 13-oktabr, 2021, 8:35:57 (UTC) link Permalink

As I wrote multiple times over a decade, I still think this situation is not satisfactory. The same with French and probably with most languages :
If Tatoeba wants to enforce agreed typographic rules (provided they're "official" and universal for a given language, which is not obvious in most cases...), it should be CODED into the system (so the "proper" character would automatically be substituted).

You just can't rely on contributor's typographic knowledge and and on their keyboards capabilities. That goes against Totoeba's ease of use from many different devices.


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CK CK 13-oktabr, 2021 13-oktabr, 2021, 8:45:37 (UTC) link Permalink

You could write to TRANG with this request, but in the meantime, perhaps you could just do as suggested, so things work.


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sacredceltic sacredceltic 13-oktabr, 2021 13-oktabr, 2021, 9:19:22 (UTC) link Permalink

I just checked the proper shape of the apostrophe in the most recent US book I read in English. It's "Under a white sky" by Elisabeth Kolbert, a Pulitzer-price winning author. And all the apostrophes I find in this book have the shape of my apostrophe in this sentence, not the shape of the one you suggest. How come ? Who's right ? You, or Elisabeth Kolbert's editor ?
I can send you the screen copy of the book pages proving this if needed...


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sacredceltic sacredceltic 13-oktabr, 2021 13-oktabr, 2021, 12:27:03 (UTC) link Permalink

alternatively, a smarter solution, would be that Tatoeba considers ALL shapes as equivalent, and thus, it would merge ALL the translations for EACH different shape.
That would solve the problem for apostrophes, spaces of different lengths, brackets, quotation marks...
The obsession for unicity of a sentence is definitely a dead-end. Who needs unicity ? What for ? For sentences languages counters that induce mad national competitions to the detriment of quality ? I don't think these are relevant objectives to the project.
We don't care if a same sentence has one or several different shapes as long as we can group them visually and group their translations alongside.


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Horus Horus 22-noyabr, 2021 22-noyabr, 2021, 10:32:06 (UTC) link Permalink

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Say it ain't so.

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