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Polgar1
20 hours ago
CK
yesterday
DostKaplan
yesterday
Shishir
yesterday
DostKaplan
yesterday
Shishir
yesterday
DostKaplan
yesterday
CK
yesterday
ZegPhig
yesterday
ZegPhig
yesterday
What is Tatoeba's policy regarding translation? I am noticing translations that aren't true to the original English sentence. OK, I admit I didn't take the time to see which sentence came first. But regardless, there is clearly a game of telephone going on where, in the course of translating from one language to another, someone veered from the original meaning and then someone else continued taking the translations from that inaccuracy. Seems to me that some translators prefer to express the translation in street vernacular while others try to stay true to the original. For example, "Let me pay" has an entirely different meaning from "I will pay."
Let me pay = Allow me to pay
I will pay = I am going to pay
Let me pay ≠ I will pay (!!)
https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...+me+pay&to=ron
"Eu voi plăti" means "I will pay," not "Let me pay."
In my opinion, if translations aren't strictly adhering to the original sentence in grammar and meaning, Tatoeba will lose its effectiveness as a language learning tool.
Minun mielestäni kaksi lausetta voi linkittää, jos ainakin toinen niistä on pätevä käännös toiselle, eli on vähintään yksi käyttötarkoitus tai asiayhteys, jossa yhden voisi kääntää toiseksi.
Lauseiden merkitys muuttuu aina ja välttämättä käännettäessä. Se, että käännösten käännökset voivat olla jo varsin erilaisia keskenään, on välttämätön seuraus käsitteestä ja ylipäätänsä siitä, että järjestelmä ei erottele alkuperäisiä lauseita ja käännöksiä, vaan suhde on symmetrinen, eli kaksi lausetta ovat molemmat toistensa käännöksiä ja siten tasa-arvoisia.
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Minun mielestäni kaksi lausetta voi linkittää, jos ainakin toinen niistä on pätevä käännös toiselle, eli on vähintään yksi käyttötarkoitus tai asiayhteys, jossa yhden voisi kääntää toiseksi.
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Sure, if there are five sentences already linked to each other, and the 6th sentence is correctly translated in grammar and meaning based on one of those five sentences, we can't fault that 6th sentence. But going back in time when there were only two linked sentences in that group, if sentence 3 was inaccurately translated based on sentence 1, sentence 3 should have been corrected or removed for inaccuracy. I guess since there is no way to effectively police the integrity of the translations from contributors, inaccuracies are left to fester and taint the corpus. Perhaps there should be a policy where if two linked sentences are pointed out to not have the same meaning, then those two sentences and their respective chain of subsequent translations should be unlinked.
Jos lauseet ovat linkitettyjä, mutta eivät vastaa toisiaan, linkityksen voi poistaa.
Käytän tässä yleensä harkintaa: jos lauseet ovat lähellä toisiaan ja parempaa käännöstä ei ole, annan linkin yleensä pysyä; jos taas tarkka käännös on olemassa ja linkitetty epätarkan lisäksi, saatan katkaista epätarkemman linkin.
Here's another example of inaccurate translations being linked together. Clearly the sentence that doesn't belong in this cluster is "I'm not allowed to talk" and should be unlinked.
ron Nu pot să vorbesc.
eng I can't talk.
eng I can't speak.
tur Konuşamam.
ara لا أستطيع الكلام
eng I cannot speak.
eng I can't say.
eng I'm not allowed to talk.
tur Konuşamıyorum.
DostKaplan, In this case (Eu voi plăti) you can just ignore that. Gray color means that translation is translation of translation. It means, these variants aren't confirmed.
You can read about it here: https://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/art...tions-in-grey?
The sentence «Nu pot să vorbesc» is unlinked. It was linked never with «I'm not allowed to talk». In this case it's gray also
See:
The sentence «Eu voi plăti» has Japanese translation which is blue and it mean that Japanese translation is confirmed and correct. Japenese sentence have two English translations: "I'll pay." and "Let me pay.". For Japanese both are correct, but for Romanian only one of them, therefore Tatoeba users confirmed only correct translation. Therefore "I'll pay." is blue and "Let me pay." is gray under Romanian sentence.
Of this series of sentences you mention, these are the only directly-linked translations. The others are translations of translations.
ron
Nu pot să vorbesc.
https://tatoeba.org/en/sentences/show/5676528
deu
Ich kann nicht sprechen.
eng
I can't talk.
eng
I can't speak.
epo
Mi ne povas paroli.
fra
Je ne peux pas parler.
nds
Ik kann nich snacken.
nld
Ik kan niet spreken.
por
Não posso falar.
spa
No puedo hablar.
tur
Konuşamam.
As long as this Romanian sentence can be correctly translated by all the directly-linked sentences, then there is no problem.
@CK
I guess I'm still not getting it. Here I am, just trying to see translations in Romanian for the English phrase "Not allowed to" (with quotes).
https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...d+to%22&to=ron
The first result in the response shows:
eng I'm not allowed to talk.
ron Nu pot să vorbesc.
...which is clearly inaccurate. Honestly I think it should be unlinked. There's no redeeming reason to keep it. The two sentences clearly don't have the same meaning. Someone else commented that translations that are blue (blue arrow) are confirmed, and those that are grey are not (this particular Romanian translation is grey). To be honest, I've never noticed the color differences nor did I know what they meant. Perhaps grey sentences shouldn't be included in the results __by default__. Include only if the user indicates so in the advanced search.
If you go to "translations -> limit to sentences in: Romanian, Link: direct" it should work as you want it to.
https://tatoeba.org/es/sentence...roved=no&user=
@Shishir
Is there a way to set it as a permanent preference?
I just saw there's the option to "create a search template" in the advanced search, maybe that could help? I admit I didn't even know it existed so I can't be of much help. If someone has experience with it or knows how it works I'd be interested to know, too.
https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...roved=no&user=
@Shishir
Not exactly sure how useful it is. In particular, the template doesn't have a "Translations <limited> to sentences" dropdown.
There should be a profile-level set of preferences for all searches in all languages.
Try this.
https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...roved=no&user=
Just click the "search" button without entering any search keywords to get Romanian-English pairs.
Or if you don't really care whether the Romanian is owned by a (self-proclaimed) native speaker, then use this template.
https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...roved=no&user=
On another note: I absolutely disagree "Nu pot să vorbesc" and "I'm not allowed to talk" should be unlinked. It's a completely sensible translation. Of course languages don't match one-to-one but Tatoeba isn't about syntactic transformations anyway. It's about actually legitimate alternatives for a given language.
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