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DostKaplan DostKaplan August 4, 2023 August 4, 2023 at 7:11:43 PM UTC link Permalink

Query:

https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...+one%22&to=tur

One result:

eng
How did you know that was my favorite one?
tur
Onun en sevdiğim film olduğunu nasıl bildin?

Once again, I see a translation that, due to linking or what not, connected two sentences that aren't accurate translations of each other. The English sentence has "my favorite one", but the Turkish translation has "my favorite film" (en sevdiğim film)!

Honestly this feature/bug sucks.

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Cangarejo Cangarejo August 4, 2023 August 4, 2023 at 10:26:11 PM UTC link Permalink

I think you should leave a comment like “@unlink #5849169 #5874169” on both sentences. Advanced contributors and above can easily unlink sentences.

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DostKaplan DostKaplan August 5, 2023 August 5, 2023 at 2:20:12 AM UTC link Permalink

OK, but when I raised a similar issue before, defenders of the "feature" thought it was fine to leave the sentences as they were:

https://tatoeba.org/en/wall/sho...3message_38960

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Yorwba Yorwba August 5, 2023 August 5, 2023 at 9:38:01 AM UTC link Permalink

The last time you complained, the sentences weren't linked as translations of each other. This time they are. So the situation is different.

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DostKaplan DostKaplan August 5, 2023 August 5, 2023 at 10:42:36 AM UTC link Permalink

This linked sentences stuff seems to be something that the developers of the site care about. As a regular user, all I care is that search results return sentences that are consistently accurate translations of each other. I don't want to see "indirect sentences" and what not. Those should be suppressed by DEFAULT.

Cabo Cabo July 31, 2023, edited July 31, 2023 July 31, 2023 at 8:44:47 AM UTC, edited July 31, 2023 at 8:45:43 AM UTC link Permalink

If you allow to just put names everywhere I just put all names what can be used in Hungary here. To that niiice and full representation.

"Avoid using the same words, names, topics, or patterns over and over again. "
my ass

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Cabo Cabo July 31, 2023 July 31, 2023 at 9:40:31 AM UTC link Permalink

Phirsh says that it's desctructive that I can finally represent ALL names in the corpus.
Why do people allowed to represent their names, but not me?
You probably Hungaro-phobes. :,D
(you know well it's a parody, right?)

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Pfirsichbaeumchen Pfirsichbaeumchen July 31, 2023, edited July 31, 2023 July 31, 2023 at 10:41:34 AM UTC, edited July 31, 2023 at 10:46:45 AM UTC link Permalink

I love Hungary and the Hungarians, and you're very welcome to have as many different names in your sentences as others do. It's only fair. Just please try to be creative.

Zulejka evett.
Zosja evett.
Zorka evett.
Zorinka evett.
Zóra evett.
Zonga evett.
Zomilla evett.
Zoltána evett.
Zolna evett.
Zója evett.
Zoé evett.
Zoárda evett.
Zizi evett.
Zita evett.
Zinajda evett.
Zinaida evett.
Zina evett.
+ many more

This is not a good way to represent all existing names. The interestingness of the sentence as a whole should outweigh the interestingness of the names used in it. We may not always succeed, but it's important that we keep trying.

On the page where you can enter new sentences, it says:

"We like diversity. Unleash your creativity! Avoid using the same words, names, topics, or patterns over and over again."

This is really nothing personal, Cabo. If you catch others who don't seem to be aware of this, please feel free to politely draw their attention to it.

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Cabo Cabo July 31, 2023, edited July 31, 2023 July 31, 2023 at 10:49:28 AM UTC, edited July 31, 2023 at 10:50:07 AM UTC link Permalink

Yeah, we can see the creativity and interestingness in other sentences...

Politely draw their attention? :DDD
Yeah, if ever worked.

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gillux gillux July 31, 2023 July 31, 2023 at 1:55:19 PM UTC link Permalink

There is a rule/guideline here that says:

Do not intentionally add bad or confusing sentences in order to make a point.

https://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/art...how/guidelines

Cabo Cabo July 31, 2023, edited July 31, 2023 July 31, 2023 at 10:51:53 AM UTC, edited July 31, 2023 at 10:52:58 AM UTC link Permalink

You know why did I tell last time I'm leaving, because fucking this.
I would delete all the duplicates with different names. There's is no need for them.

And there is no need for me writing duplicates, but now I'm joining them. And I will be the best of writing duplicates.

lbdx lbdx July 31, 2023, edited July 31, 2023 July 31, 2023 at 1:41:49 PM UTC, edited July 31, 2023 at 4:53:18 PM UTC link Permalink

On Tatoeba, the vandalism of a few slowly outweighs the genuine efforts of the many 😢

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mraz mraz August 2, 2023 August 2, 2023 at 7:23:48 AM UTC link Permalink

A Tatoebán néhány ember vandalizmusa lassan felülmúlja sokak valódi erőfeszítéseit. (Ibdx)

Kár, hogy éppen egy olyan magyar (is), aki úgy gondolja magáról, hogy
alkalmas magyar korpuszfelelősnek.

Az életben vannak írott és íratlan szabályok. Ez igaz a Tatoebára is.

Amikor szolgái aludtak, jött az ellensége, és konkolyt szórt a búza közé, aztán elment. ....Hagyjátok, hadd nőjön mind a kettő az aratásig! Aratáskor majd szólok az aratóknak: Előbb a konkolyt szedjétek össze, kössétek kévébe és égessétek el, a búzát pedig gyűjtsétek csűrömbe!” Mt. 13,24-

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Cabo Cabo August 2, 2023 August 2, 2023 at 9:14:08 AM UTC link Permalink

Ha végeznéd a korpuszfelelősi munkád, akkor nem jelentkeztem volna.
Ráadásul jegaevi is inaktív, aki szintén korpuszfelelős lenne.

A konzultáció meg van nyitva, és majd Pfirsich döntést hoz.
Írd meg nyugodtan aggodalmaidat: https://tatoeba.org/en/wall/sho...#message_40060

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mraz mraz August 2, 2023 August 2, 2023 at 9:29:20 AM UTC link Permalink

Mit kellene tennem, mint korpuszfelelős a tegnap beírt 'számtalan'
Abélia
Abiáta
Abigél
Ada
Adala
Adalberta
Adalbertina
Adalind
Adaora
Adél
Adela
Adéla
Adelaida
Adelgund
Adelgunda
Adelheid
Adélia
Adelin
Adelina
Adelinda
Adeliz
Adeliza
Adema
Adeodáta
Adina
Admira
Adolfina
Adonika
Adóra
Adria
Adriána
Adrianna
Adrienn
Adrienna
Adrina
Áfonya
Áfra
Afrika
Afrodita
Afrodité
Afszana
Agapi
Agáta
Ági
Aglája
Aglent
Agnabella
Agnella
Ágnes
Agnéta
Ágosta
Ágota
Agrippína
Aida
Aina
Ainó
Aira
Aisa
Aisah
Ajándék
Ajla
Ájlá
Ájlin
Ajna
Ajnácska
Ajnó
Ajra
Ajsa
Ájszel
Ajtonka
Akaiéna
Akilina
Alamea
Alaméa
Alana
Alba
Alberta
Albertin
Albertina
Albina
Alda
Áldáska
Aldea
Álea
Aléna
Aleszja evett. stb. mondatoddal?

Javaslom első lépésben ezek TÖRLÉSÉT.

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Cabo Cabo August 2, 2023 August 2, 2023 at 9:58:30 AM UTC link Permalink

Észrevetted, ami tegnap lett beírva, de rengeteg hibás mondatot leokéztál évekkel ezelőtt, valamint a múltkoriakban is már tucatszámra szóltam mondatoknál (már másodjára, mert egy évvel azelőtt is írtam), hogy javításra szorulnak, azt nem sikerült észrevenni.

maaster maaster August 2, 2023 August 2, 2023 at 12:22:39 PM UTC link Permalink

Sztem elsősorban mint korpuszfelelős a @change-es mondatokat kellene javítanod.
(Visszautasítható pozíció.)

maaster maaster August 2, 2023 August 2, 2023 at 12:05:17 PM UTC link Permalink

Valóban jó lenne, ha vki a @change-mondatokat kijavítaná és nem a szomszédba kellene futkosni szívességgel.

Polgar1 Polgar1 August 4, 2023 August 4, 2023 at 9:16:29 AM UTC link Permalink

Ez most nem arról szól, hogy tudsz-e valami személyeskedést kitalálni másra.

Az, hogy valaki nem végzi a "munkáját" (lol, önkéntesek vagyunk) megfelelően, hol válasz arra, hogy amit csinálsz, konkrétan kimeríti a terrorcselekmény eszmei és erkölcsi tartalmát? Sem neked, sem senki másnak nincs joga vandálkodni csak azért, mert valami nem a szája íze szerint alakul.

Ez teszi tönkre a Tatoebát, nem az, hogy valaki nem javított ki X mondatot. Kiöli belőle a jóhiszeműséget, ami nélkül nem lehet önkéntesekkel egy ilyen léptékű projektet működtetni.

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Cabo Cabo August 4, 2023 August 4, 2023 at 9:29:58 AM UTC link Permalink

Minden negatívumot, pozitívumot megírhatsz itt is: https://tatoeba.org/en/wall/sho...#message_40060

Thanuir Thanuir August 2, 2023 August 2, 2023 at 2:23:13 PM UTC link Permalink

1. Tee lista unkarilaisista nimistä.
2. Aina, kun lisäät lauseen johon tulee nimi, käytä seuraavaa nimeä listalta.

Näin saat luonnollisella tavalla vähitellen käytettyä kaikki unkarilaiset nimet lisäämättä valtavaa määrää tavallista tylsempiä lauseita.

Seael Seael July 16, 2023, edited July 22, 2023 July 16, 2023 at 4:32:55 PM UTC, edited July 22, 2023 at 2:57:04 PM UTC link Permalink

Probably, as it happened years ago, this will be to no avail but I'll mention it here once again just in case:

Is there now a way to delete or fix wrong words from https://tatoeba.org/es/vocabula..._sentences/spa and similar pages?

Lately, I have been creating sentences in order to clear de list so that some of the wrong words would concentrate on top of the page and now the following can be found there:

* "abolenco" (abolengo)
* "lambiscon" (lambiscón)
* "churraso" (churrasco)
* "ir de picos partos" (ir de picos pardos)
* "impudicicia" (impudicia)
* "guachipin" (guachipilín / guachipelín)

Also, further down in that page:

* "berraquera" (verraquera)
* "tonos camel" (¿?)
* "el giro negro" (¿?)

In the current 7th and 8th pages of the list of Spanish words (https://tatoeba.org/es/vocabula...ces/spa?page=7 and https://tatoeba.org/es/vocabula...es/spa?page=8) we can find a lot (especially on page 8) of things like:

* "parlante (aparato)"
* "-¿Por qué no me acompañas a dar un paseo? -Será un placer. ¿Adónde quieres ir?"
* "Ya he terminado el cuadro. Es maravilloso. Tal vez sea pintora de nacimiento."

It would be nice if we could get rid of all this unnecesary noise.

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Cangarejo Cangarejo July 16, 2023, edited July 17, 2023 July 16, 2023 at 7:47:33 PM UTC, edited July 17, 2023 at 1:11:37 PM UTC link Permalink

Have you tried Tatominer?

https://tatominer.netlify.app/spa-eng
https://tatominer.netlify.app/eng-spa
https://tatominer.netlify.app/spa

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Seael Seael July 17, 2023 July 17, 2023 at 12:11:06 PM UTC link Permalink

Yes, Thanks! I know about Tatominer (I use it occassionally) but they are different tools with slightly different goals.

CK CK July 16, 2023 July 16, 2023 at 8:30:54 PM UTC link Permalink

https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/1473
Allow users to "correct" Vocabulary feature
(2017)

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Seael Seael July 17, 2023, edited July 17, 2023 July 17, 2023 at 12:12:25 PM UTC, edited July 17, 2023 at 12:15:05 PM UTC link Permalink

Thanks so much, CK! Seeing how long is taking, I am not sure it'll quickly work but it's great you let them know! :)

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gillux gillux July 31, 2023 July 31, 2023 at 9:51:36 AM UTC link Permalink

It is not only a matter of "when", but also "how". You can look at past discussions on the topic, such as https://tatoeba.org/fr/wall/show_message/31919. There is no clear consensus on how to deal with this issue.

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Seael Seael July 31, 2023, edited July 31, 2023 July 31, 2023 at 3:06:17 PM UTC, edited July 31, 2023 at 9:18:03 PM UTC link Permalink

I see. Of course consensus is needed in general but the obvious ones should be speedily deleted by a mantainer; e.g. "Ya he terminado el cuadro. Es maravilloso. Tal vez sea pintora de nacimiento." is an obvious one; it could be created, then abandoned for adoption and then the entry should be deleted from the list as nine extra, different sentences containing that exact sequence don't require the list's help.

Anyway... I see, no real solution in the short, long or eternal term... Let's just cross fingers and hope the rubbish doesn't pile up too much.

CK CK July 30, 2023 July 30, 2023 at 7:21:00 AM UTC link Permalink

🍎 Updated

http://www.manythings.org/bilingual/
Bilingual Sentence Pairs

http://www.manythings.org/anki/
Tab-delimited Bilingual Sentence Pairs - For Anki, etc.

Thanks to all of you who have translated proofread English sentences on List 907 into your own native languages.

For those who would like to help, I'd love it if you focused on the English sentences that have audio first.

Here is a page that will help you easily do that.

http://goo.gl/zP1V2i
Dashboard for Translating English Sentences with Audio

sharptoothed sharptoothed July 30, 2023 July 30, 2023 at 5:27:41 AM UTC link Permalink

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felix63 felix63 July 26, 2023 July 26, 2023 at 5:27:00 PM UTC link Permalink

J'aimerais savoir pourquoi un intervenant qui a été bloqué à plusieurs reprises peut se reconnecter et utiliser Tatoeba sans problème.

Le blocage est-il limité dans le temps ?

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Pfirsichbaeumchen Pfirsichbaeumchen July 26, 2023 July 26, 2023 at 6:26:32 PM UTC link Permalink

J’ai envoyé un message privé.

LuizOtavio LuizOtavio July 19, 2023 July 19, 2023 at 7:05:58 PM UTC link Permalink

En la vortaro de TATOEBA (ĉe http://kono.be/vivo/) estas ekzemplo kun du eraroj por la vorto cent (centavo):

Ex: Este doce custa oito centavos.: Tiu bombono kostas okdek cendojn.|This candy costs eighty cents.

Kiel kaj al kiu komuniki por korekto?

Ok = oito
okdek = oitenta

Esse = tiu
este = ĉi tiu

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PaulP PaulP July 20, 2023, edited July 20, 2023 July 20, 2023 at 8:24:04 AM UTC, edited July 20, 2023 at 8:26:04 AM UTC link Permalink

Mi lasis noton ĉe frazo #2102397. Post korektado tie, la eraro malaperos ankaŭ en kono.be

CK CK July 17, 2023 July 17, 2023 at 3:23:00 AM UTC link Permalink

🍎 We now have over 800,000 English sentences with audio.

http://goo.gl/zP1V2i

To translate these into your language, use this "dashboard" to find sentences

sharptoothed sharptoothed July 16, 2023 July 16, 2023 at 5:12:32 AM UTC link Permalink

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taro taro July 14, 2023 July 14, 2023 at 8:18:20 AM UTC link Permalink

Hello all! I'm sure that, this has already been discussed but in my view adding single words for translation such as food items, names of clothes, names of planets, names of animals, etc. can increase the usefulness of Tatoeba.
If a person searches by typing 'Tiger' in the search bar, s/he can see what the Tiger is written in different languages. i think there are already dictionaries available for those things but the dictionaries are mainly focused on 2 languages but Tatoeba has the potential for 422 different languages in the current scenarios.

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Cabo Cabo July 14, 2023, edited July 14, 2023 July 14, 2023 at 10:36:35 AM UTC, edited July 14, 2023 at 10:38:58 AM UTC link Permalink

This is a corpus, actually a corpora for sentences.

For words I advise you using wordhippo or other dictionaries.

Cangarejo Cangarejo July 14, 2023, edited July 14, 2023 July 14, 2023 at 12:29:45 PM UTC, edited July 14, 2023 at 1:13:03 PM UTC link Permalink

Wikipedia is available in several languages. Some articles in some languages are linked to the same article in other languages. That makes it possible to use Wikipedia as a sort of multilingual dictionary. The translation of “tiger” into Nepali, for example, is “बाघ”. It’s probably possible to extract that information automatically. Wiktionary also accepts translations.

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Cabo Cabo July 14, 2023, edited July 14, 2023 July 14, 2023 at 1:39:47 PM UTC, edited July 14, 2023 at 1:50:14 PM UTC link Permalink

^^
Wiktionary is great, some pages show the translations in other languages, but I see them more commonly when I search in other dictionaries not the English one.
Otherwise it has no function to ask a word and return its translation in several languages. Some pages can do that (using several calls of google translate) or maybe asking an AI can solve that problem.
Wordhippo is just the same, it has many languages, but no page shows a word translated in different languages.

Okay, I tried, AI can:
Dutch: Ik ben in staat om deze zin te vertalen.
German: Ich bin in der Lage, diesen Satz zu übersetzen.
Swedish: Jag kan översätta den här meningen.
Norwegian Bokmål: Jeg er i stand til å oversette denne setningen.
Danish: Jeg er i stand til at oversætte denne sætning.
French: Je suis capable de traduire cette phrase.
Russian: Я способен перевести эту фразу.
Spanish: Soy capaz de traducir esta oración.
Portuguese: Eu sou capaz de traduzir esta frase.
Greek: Μπορώ να μεταφράσω αυτή τη φράση.
Turkish: Bu cümleyi çevirebilirim.
Japanese: この文を翻訳することができます。
Chinese (Simplified): 我可以翻译这个句子。

sometimes tends to translate word for word, probably because our dictionaries have many word for word translations

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Cangarejo Cangarejo July 14, 2023, edited July 14, 2023 July 14, 2023 at 6:49:58 PM UTC, edited July 14, 2023 at 10:31:22 PM UTC link Permalink

If translations are missing from Wikipedia or Wiktionary, you can always just add them yourself.