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CK CK 5 hours ago, edited 5 hours ago February 17, 2020 at 9:06 AM, edited February 17, 2020 at 9:53 AM link permalink

> 20 218 sentences added this week (from one export to another).

14,021 of last week's sentences were contributed by 120 members in their native languages. 69% (14,021 / 20,218)

469 were Esperanto

2,014 of last week's English sentences were added by non-native speakers. 72% of these were by the same person.

1,390 of last week's English sentences were contributed by 17 native speakers.

The member who added the most native language sentences last week was marafon with 1,392 Russian sentences.

About 9,660 links were created between sentences.

There were 19,318 new lines in the links.csv file.
Links are listed twice in the file, like this.
8553077 8553078
8553078 8553077

More ....

1,679 of last week's Russian sentences were contributed by 13 native speakers.
1,624 of last week's Portuguese sentences were contributed by 12 native speakers.

CK CK 11 hours ago February 17, 2020 at 3:58 AM link permalink

It still works the way it used to on my Mac with Firefox, but not with Chrome, Safari, or Opera.

CK CK yesterday, edited yesterday February 16, 2020 at 12:10 PM, edited February 16, 2020 at 12:11 PM link permalink

1. People can release their sentences.

A number of members do this when they contribute in a non-native language, so a native speaker can adopt them.

2. Many of the English and Japanese "orphans" are sentences imported from the Tanaka Corpus.

http://www.edrdg.org/wiki/index.php/Tanaka_Corpus

CK CK yesterday February 16, 2020 at 12:06 PM link permalink

We now have 678,855 sentences with audio, up 16,187 since December 21, 2019.

Slightly over 8% of our sentences have audio.

678,855 / 8,161,223

Screenshot (2020-02-16 12:01 UTC)
https://prnt.sc/r31q6u

Previous screenshot (2019-12-21 0:09 UTC)
https://prnt.sc/qdsmqz

Previous Wall announcement (2019-12-21)
https://tatoeba.org/eng/wall/sh...#message_33758

CK CK 2 days ago, edited 2 days ago February 15, 2020 at 12:22 PM, edited February 15, 2020 at 12:23 PM link permalink

I noticed a change in the copy-and-pasting.
I wonder if this was an intentional change.

Before, when we copied translations, we got the 3-letter code for the language.

See this comment for an example.

https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...omment-1158254

Now, we don't.

See this comment for an example.

https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...omment-1160733


I think having the 3-letter code was useful, especially when multiple languages were involved, and when viewing in the comments stream, rather than on each individual page.



CK CK 2 days ago February 15, 2020 at 9:35 AM link permalink

@fjay69

https://tatoeba.org/sentences/s...d&trans_to=rus
(Over 4,000 results for sentences on List 7055 without Russian translations)

CK CK 2 days ago, edited 2 days ago February 14, 2020 at 11:39 PM, edited February 15, 2020 at 6:41 AM link permalink

You can find existing sentences with this kind of search.

Search for sentences with these tags, limited to sentences linked to French.

hotel, travel, restaurant, border crossing, immigration

You will need to search for each tag individually since our search engine doesn't use the "or" operator for tags.

Here are a few examples.

https://tatoeba.org/sentences/s...fra&tags=hotel
https://tatoeba.org/sentences/s...ags=restaurant
https://tatoeba.org/sentences/s...ra&tags=travel
https://tatoeba.org/sentences/s...gs=immigration
https://tatoeba.org/sentences/s...order+crossing
https://tatoeba.org/sentences/s...&tags=shopping
https://tatoeba.org/sentences/s...o=fra&tags=bar
https://tatoeba.org/sentences/s...&tags=hospital
https://tatoeba.org/sentences/s...gs=immigration

CK CK 3 days ago, edited 2 days ago February 14, 2020 at 11:15 AM, edited February 15, 2020 at 9:32 AM link permalink

** List 7055 - English sentences translated into more than 9 languages **

Find English sentences translated into over 10 languages that are not yet translated into your native language.

You can do this with the following link.

Just change the last 3 letters in the URL to your native language's code.

This URL is set to find such sentences not yet translated into Ukranian.

https://tatoeba.org/sentences/s...d&trans_to=ukr
(Over 16,000 results)

This URL is set to find such sentences not yet translated into Esperanto.

https://tatoeba.org/sentences/s...d&trans_to=epo
(Over 12,000 results)

The over 49,500 sentences that I've added to this list are also on List 907, so you can be fairly confident that they are error-free and natural-sounding English sentences.

CK CK 4 days ago February 13, 2020 at 10:17 AM link permalink

** Search for English, showing sentences translated into the most languages first. **

http://goo.gl/6YLn1i

CK CK 5 days ago February 12, 2020 at 6:37 AM link permalink

** Stats - The Number of Untranslated English Sentences, Sorted by Usernames **

http://tatoeba.ueuo.com/eng-unt...usernames.html

CK CK 5 days ago February 12, 2020 at 3:06 AM link permalink

Here are some others.

** Japanese Searches: 8-character Sentence Endings **

http://tatoeba.ueuo.com/jpn-searching3.html

** Spanish Searches: 3-word Sentence Beginnings **

http://tatoeba.ueuo.com/spa-3word_beginnings.html

** Esperanto Searches: 3-word Sentence Beginnings **

http://tatoeba.ueuo.com/epo-3word_beginnings.html

** Portuguese Searches: 3-word Sentence Beginnings **

http://tatoeba.ueuo.com/por-3word_beginnings.html

** Hungarian Searches: 3-word Sentence Beginnings **

http://tatoeba.ueuo.com/hun-3word_beginnings.html

** German Searches: 3-word Sentence Beginnings **

http://tatoeba.ueuo.com/deu-3word_beginnings.html

** French Searches: 3-word Sentence Beginnings **

http://tatoeba.ueuo.com/fra-3word_beginnings.html

CK CK 6 days ago February 11, 2020 at 5:31 AM link permalink

Can you give an example URL where this happens?

I tried this, and I can copy and paste sentences.
https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...all_in/rus/eng

CK CK 7 days ago February 10, 2020 at 5:52 AM link permalink

** English Searches: 3-word Sentence Beginnings **

http://tatoeba.ueuo.com/eng-3word_beginnings.html

Find sentences that share the first three words.

CK CK 12 days ago, edited 12 days ago February 4, 2020 at 11:10 PM, edited February 4, 2020 at 11:14 PM link permalink

This happened today for about 7 minutes between these 2 sentences.

[#8513343] Yenna-d Tom nekk sqelliqeɣ. (nabil509)

[#8513344] This isn't new anymore. (CK)

Even though we couldn't write to the website at the time, the pages could be loaded to read them.

The time of this comment was about ...

11:10 PM
Tuesday, February 4, 2020
Coordinated Universal Time (UTC)

CK CK 12 days ago February 4, 2020 at 7:28 PM link permalink

** 10 English Words Per Day **

http://bit.ly/tatoebadaily

The 10 words are roughly in the order of frequency of use, based on the NGSL, NAWL and TSL. I divided the words into 10 groups by level and included one word from each of those levels every day for 366 days.

This page changes at 0:00 UTC every day.

Perhaps you may want to bookmark this page, or copy-and-paste the link into your profile, and visit it every day for suggested searches.

CK CK 16 days ago February 1, 2020 at 1:16 AM link permalink

This part that is confusing will be eliminated when this github issue is resolved.
https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/330

See the last comment.
https://github.com/Tatoeba/tato...ment-539769850

I've already removed over 200,000 of the tagged sentences the slow way.

CK CK 18 days ago January 30, 2020 at 12:39 PM link permalink

** Selecting Sentences Using English Verbs **

http://tatoeba.ueuo.com/eng-verbs.html

This page has a list of verbs, sorted by their frequency of use in spoken English.

The search links have all forms of the verbs, so even irregular verbs such as swim-swam-swum get search results for all forms.

CK CK 18 days ago, edited 18 days ago January 30, 2020 at 2:26 AM, edited January 30, 2020 at 2:27 AM link permalink

I think what we are doing is rating sentences on a 2-value scale, OK or not OK, with the 3rd option being "unsure" which is like "undecided" on an opinion poll.

define:rate
https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Arate
* assign a standard or value to (something) according to a particular scale.



define:review
https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Areview
* assess (something) formally with the intention of instituting change if necessary.
* write a critical appraisal of (a book, play, film, etc.) for publication in a newspaper or magazine.

define:rating
https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Arating
* a classification or ranking of someone or something based on a comparative assessment of their quality, standard, or performance.

CK CK 19 days ago, edited 19 days ago January 29, 2020 at 7:34 AM, edited January 29, 2020 at 8:06 AM link permalink

* Members That Have Added Over 1,000 Ratings *

It might be nice to hear the opinions of some of the members who use this function a lot.

-1 means "not OK"
0 means "unsure"
1 means "OK"

CK : total : 752404
CK : 1 : 752404

PaulP : total : 179512
PaulP : -1 : 246
PaulP : 0 : 2549
PaulP : 1 : 176717

Guybrush88 : total : 27322
Guybrush88 : -1 : 1
Guybrush88 : 0 : 3
Guybrush88 : 1 : 27318

bill : total : 24215
bill : 0 : 1
bill : 1 : 24214

Pfirsichbaeumchen : total : 5265
Pfirsichbaeumchen : -1 : 41
Pfirsichbaeumchen : 0 : 231
Pfirsichbaeumchen : 1 : 4993

Selena777 : total : 4415
Selena777 : -1 : 11
Selena777 : 0 : 49
Selena777 : 1 : 4355

deyta : total : 3792
deyta : 1 : 3792

jegaevi : total : 3540
jegaevi : -1 : 4
jegaevi : 0 : 5
jegaevi : 1 : 3531

Gulo_Luscus : total : 3479
Gulo_Luscus : -1 : 2
Gulo_Luscus : 0 : 1
Gulo_Luscus : 1 : 3476

tornado : total : 3111
tornado : -1 : 219
tornado : 0 : 482
tornado : 1 : 2410

Thanuir : total : 3019
Thanuir : -1 : 141
Thanuir : 0 : 66
Thanuir : 1 : 2812

alexmarcelo : total : 2754
alexmarcelo : -1 : 25
alexmarcelo : 0 : 103
alexmarcelo : 1 : 2626

soliloquist : total : 2607
soliloquist : 1 : 2607

tulin : total : 2520
tulin : 1 : 2520

Wezel : total : 2003
Wezel : -1 : 40
Wezel : 0 : 450
Wezel : 1 : 1513

raggione : total : 1715
raggione : -1 : 8
raggione : 0 : 661
raggione : 1 : 1046

odexed : total : 1620
odexed : -1 : 22
odexed : 0 : 220
odexed : 1 : 1378

driini : total : 1542
driini : -1 : 3
driini : 0 : 7
driini : 1 : 1532

shekitten : total : 1508
shekitten : -1 : 14
shekitten : 0 : 38
shekitten : 1 : 1456

Raizin : total : 1467
Raizin : -1 : 6
Raizin : 0 : 46
Raizin : 1 : 1415


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* Some Stats *

In last Saturday's exported data, ...
1,039,935 sentences had ratings
2,306 of these had "not OK" ratings.
6,457 of these had "unsure".
3,401 of these sentences had ratings by more than one member.

CK CK 19 days ago, edited 19 days ago January 29, 2020 at 6:12 AM, edited January 29, 2020 at 6:23 AM link permalink

Some more brainstorming ideas.

quality
correctness
judgment
accuracy
appraisal
evaluation
good-or-not
proofreading (TRANG's idea)

My preference would be "rating", since I might say "I rated it OK" or "I gave it an OK rating."
I wouldn't say "I reviewed it OK", "I proofread it OK" or "I gave it an OK proofreading."

The word "review" could also be used for leaving comments on apps and products, so this word would have the same problem that TRANG mentioned above for "rating."

Personally, I only use the "OK" rating to let members know that the sentence is OK and ignore the other two ratings.

The "not OK" rating is something I don't use, since if something isn't OK, it might become so after leaving a comment.

There is a possibility that some members would not rate a grammatically-correct and natural-sounding sentence OK if the sentence was not factually correct or if they felt that the sentence was vulgar, pornographic, archaic, old-fashioned or otherwise not appropriate for their own use. I'm not sure this is really a problem since that's what professional proofreaders do.