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shekitten shekitten 9 avril 2020 à 04:55, modifiée le le 9 avril 2020 à 05:00 9 avril 2020 à 04:55, modifiée le 9 avril 2020 à 05:00 link Permalien

I'd like to propose a change to the Yiddish flag: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w...th_Letters.svg

Reasons:

1. This one isn't based on the Israeli flag
2. It contains a recognizable symbol of Yiddish culture, the Golden Peacock
3. It also contains the word "Yiddish" and the language code "yid"
4. The details at 30x20 aren't as clear as the word "Yiddish" in the current flag, but they are recognizable still: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wi...etters.svg.png

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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 9 avril 2020 à 06:38 9 avril 2020 à 06:38 link Permalien

It's fine for me.

@sabretou - do you agree?

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TRANG TRANG 9 avril 2020 à 12:41 9 avril 2020 à 12:41 link Permalien

Just a reminder: mentions don't work on the Wall.

Cf. https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/1961

CK CK 9 avril 2020 à 07:30 9 avril 2020 à 07:30 link Permalien

Here is what the suggested flag would look like if it were cropped a bit.

https://all.imfast.io/yid/

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shekitten shekitten 9 avril 2020 à 11:08 9 avril 2020 à 11:08 link Permalien

Love the note you put on your website:

> Cropped version of what seems to be the most popular in these search results.

As always, coming into a discussion with your hot take gleaned from a less-than-thorough Google image search to chide people for whom the language in question is something that is always on their minds. Even a slightly larger amount of research, perhaps a single additional click, would have found you this, which you then could have read: https://forward.com/opinion/nat...d-yiddish-fly/

But why do that when you can assume your shallow Google-derived knowledge is superior to the knowledge of everyone else?

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shekitten shekitten 9 avril 2020 à 12:14 9 avril 2020 à 12:14 link Permalien

With that said, I have nothing against a cropped version of the peacock, and have a file at my disposal to do this while cleaning up the text.

Yorwba Yorwba 9 avril 2020 à 19:04 9 avril 2020 à 19:04 link Permalien

That flag image was uploaded to Wikimedia Commons today and isn't used on any pages. I'm guessing that it was drawn by yourself or someone you know, with the intention to make it more popular in the future. While there isn't necessarily any problem with that, and for all I know any Yiddish speaker would immediately recognize the flag, it might still be a good idea to mention factors like these when you propose a flag change.

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soliloquist soliloquist 10 avril 2020 à 08:51 10 avril 2020 à 08:51 link Permalien

There has been a discussion recently on the Yiddish Duolingo Facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/Yiddis...type=3&theater

There is no absolute consensus, but many of the participants seem to favor the Menorah flag which dates back to 2011.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:S.fuer

Some Yiddish speakers seem to avoid the stripes though, thinking that they resemble the flag of Israel closely.

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shekitten shekitten 10 avril 2020 à 12:08, modifiée le le 10 avril 2020 à 12:09 10 avril 2020 à 12:08, modifiée le 10 avril 2020 à 12:09 link Permalien

People who have a problem with the Israel-based image have a problem with it for very good reasons, though. Israel has historically opposed the Yiddish language and its speakers aggressively. It might as well be a swastika.

shekitten shekitten 10 avril 2020 à 12:07, modifiée le le 10 avril 2020 à 12:33 10 avril 2020 à 12:07, modifiée le 10 avril 2020 à 12:33 link Permalien

If I wanted to deceive people about the origin or age of the flag, I wouldn't have linked to Wikimedia Commons where such things are transparent by design.

Making it more popular in the future has nothing to do with it; it's just about

(1) finding an image that is representative and not linked to Israel in any sense

(2) following suggestions given in an article on the subject by another person https://forward.com/opinion/nat...d-yiddish-fly/

> Instead of a flag, a symbol from Yiddish culture’s extensive palette would be more appropriate. The golden peacock is one such option. A mythic beast with centuries as a proud, resplendent symbol of Yiddish creativity, this bird supplies quills to the language’s writers, and inspires the culture’s actors, musicians, and poets. This is an easy sell, something visual and attractive to this same devoted pool of users. It is this, an emblem of light and life, rather than the mournful banner above, that will spur users to learn the language, and, surely, this is what we’d like to see first the next time we google “Yiddish”.

What's funny, though, is that the menorah flag in question WAS uploaded to Wikimedia Commons for exactly that reason, and the original creator made an aggressive effort to popularize it and treat it as if it went without saying that this was THE flag of the language.

Who designed the flag that Tatoeba currently uses, and were similar objections raised to their doing so?

shekitten shekitten 10 avril 2020 à 13:27 10 avril 2020 à 13:27 link Permalien

Alternative proposal: simply remove the blue stripes from the flag currently used on Tatoeba.