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blay_paul blay_paul May 21, 2010 May 21, 2010 at 12:36:31 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Bug report: favourite icon and list icon do not work on the contribute page.

After you add a sentence (or several sentences) then the favourite and list icons on the contribute page do not work. The translate and the own icon do work.

Swift Swift May 21, 2010 May 21, 2010 at 12:24:37 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Favourites

Aren't favourites just a list of sentences?

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blay_paul blay_paul May 21, 2010 May 21, 2010 at 12:34:53 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Er, yes, but what's your point?

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Swift Swift May 21, 2010 May 21, 2010 at 1:02:40 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

I'm just wondering why we have a separate list for "favourites". Since features are constantly being added, it seems it might be a good idea to see where we can slim things down and simplify.

Since favourites are just a list, how about merging that functionality into the lists?

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sysko sysko May 21, 2010 May 21, 2010 at 3:32:24 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

In fact favorites has been added a "long" time ago (to be precise this was my first contribution as a developper in Tatoeba :D), at this time list doesn't exist,
when list appears, I kept the favorite feature, as I tought even if they look the same, the purpose is not really the same :
List for a "public usage" a kind of classification
and favorites for a more "personnal" use

(personnaly I use favorite for sentence I need to quickly find, for example to ask a friend if it's correct etc.. as it's faster to favorite/unfavorite and I really don't know how to call such list, neither want to create a list for that)

In fact the problem yet is that list is our current way classify everything, so they get a bit bloatted
adding a tagging system will permit to delete some lists

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Swift Swift May 21, 2010 May 21, 2010 at 5:04:54 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Yeah, I figured favourites had preceded the lists. I seem, however, to have gotten a different understanding of the purpose of those lists.

The lists page shows the public and "other" lists. I reckoned that these were public and private lists. The public lists seem to fall into two main categories: Sentence type or difficulty, and maintenance categories.

That makes perfect sense but I believe there is also a use for private lists that individuals create. Since the latest (May 16th) update, lists can now be downloaded (e.g. for use in Anki) which is really only useful for smaller lists (preferably compiled by the users themselves). Allowing users to collect sentences into lists according to level, topic or language would be very useful.

So, I think private lists are a very useful /idea/ but of course they will only be a useful /tool/ if they are also easy to use. With the vast number of sentences and growing userbase, it might be worth reconsidering how we organise the lists anyway.

Imagining a time when each language has a "... sentences in need of correction, confirmation from a native" category, and there is a category for various academic topic. Each user will however only use a handful of these. It might therefore be a useful feature for users to be able to browse the lists page and mark those of interest. These, along with the user's private lists would then be the only ones that appeared in the drop-down menu.

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Swift Swift May 21, 2010 May 21, 2010 at 7:53:21 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Actually, I just created a list and this is pretty much how it works. I guess I misunderstood you...

Now if we just get a way to see which lists a sentence is in and make it possible to modify which lists it's in from the sentence/browse views, then lists have all but achieved the features and ease of use as the favourites.

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TRANG TRANG May 22, 2010 May 22, 2010 at 12:52:22 AM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Except it is much more practical to be able to favorite a sentence in one click rather than having to select from a list (like Paul said)...

The thing is, right now, the "contributors" actions and the "users" actions are mixed together.
But there isn't a reason why we should have a the translate and adopt icon displayed everywhere.

The only reason why it is the case is because Tatoeba hasn't been adapted yet to make contributions more efficient for compulsive contributors.

So I think instead of trying to remove the favorite button, we should revamp the "Contribute" section, and have contributors go there whenever they want to translate and correct sentences. Once we have that, we can certainly remove the translate and adopt icons from anywhere else, without bothering anyone.

blay_paul blay_paul May 21, 2010 May 21, 2010 at 1:28:39 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

> Since favourites are just a list, how about merging
> that functionality into the lists?

Hmm, I like it like it is. Easy to add / remove sentences and you can always tell whether a sentence is a favourite or not without having to check a separate screen / list.

sysko sysko May 21, 2010 May 21, 2010 at 12:51:07 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

I think Swift wants to know what the reason of "Favourites" as they can be considered as a list, true ?

Swift Swift May 20, 2010 May 20, 2010 at 7:18:24 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Bug notice.

Profile pages for usernames that contain underscores don't show up:
<http://tatoeba.org/eng/user/profile/ANH_DAO>
<http://tatoeba.org/eng/user/pro...etit_ane_gris>
<http://tatoeba.org/eng/user/profile/yuuri_wolfram>
It seems that the webpage request is passed to or processed by the lookup script with the underscores removed.

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sysko sysko May 20, 2010 May 20, 2010 at 8:16:02 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Yep you're right, I know where it comes from, I first eat something and I correct it

sysko sysko May 20, 2010 May 20, 2010 at 9:50:29 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

corrected

Dorenda Dorenda May 20, 2010 May 20, 2010 at 6:55:51 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Bug notice.
When I add sentences on the Contribute page, the "Add to list" button doesn't work, unless I first orphan (and adopt it back, but this is not necessary) the sentence.

CK CK May 19, 2010, October 25, 2019 de ame/ê pergalkerdene May 19, 2010 at 1:25:38 AM UTC, October 25, 2019 at 8:03:38 AM UTC de ame/ê pergalkerdene flag Report link Lînko payîdar

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Scott Scott May 19, 2010 May 19, 2010 at 2:51:01 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

It's not technically wrong not to translate the younger/elder brother part. Not specifying it is probably more natural in English. So, I don't see a special need to do this. Keep in mind that Japanese sentences could also be translation of the original English (I also tend to forget this), in which case the older/younger part would have to be invented by the translator.

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sysko sysko May 19, 2010 May 19, 2010 at 4:30:28 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

I don't know Japanese, but in Chinese the same things happens as one can't say "this is my brother" without precising if he's older or younger.
So I agree with Scott, at least one can two translations, and in commets precise "this one is translated to stay closer to the original meaning" and "this one is a more natural way to say though some things are added/removed"

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sysko sysko May 19, 2010 May 19, 2010 at 5:33:54 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

anyway the problem occurs simply with "you" which can both translated by "tu" (one guy, not formal) "vous" (2nd plural person) and "vous" (2nd singular person but formal way) in French, and when I translate English sentences.

and anyway the chinese will appears as an indirect translations of the japanese sentences, so one should know that indirect translations are not to be trusted, they're just here to give you the "raw" meaning, in case and also to permit people to link them if they can be considered as "direct translations" rather than add a second time this translation

Scott Scott May 18, 2010 May 18, 2010 at 9:43:37 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Just noticed that you had updated the blog. You wrote:

- Simplification of the registration process. We will get rid of the whole "validate your registration" step.

Aren't you worried that this will make spam easier?

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TRANG TRANG May 19, 2010 May 19, 2010 at 1:49:26 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

> Aren't you worried that this will make spam easier?

I am, but it doesn't justify the current (somewhat) complicated registration process.

We will of course still make sure that users who register are human, but I think there are much better ways to handle spammers than forcing new users to validate their registration.

Dorenda Dorenda May 18, 2010 May 18, 2010 at 1:21:14 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

I've been seeing this message for three weeks, and only now I noticed there's an "of" missing (or a redundant "the"). :)

"WARNING: The language of some (of) the sentences you have added could not be detected."

blay_paul blay_paul May 18, 2010 May 18, 2010 at 11:22:29 AM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Sentence annotation log glitch.

The log of changes shown on the sentence annotation page shows "unknown" for the editor when the search and replace function is used.

sysko sysko May 17, 2010 May 17, 2010 at 12:11:59 AM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Tatoeba has been updated :D

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Swift Swift May 17, 2010 May 17, 2010 at 5:17:03 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

The search function only seems to offer the choice of 31 languages, rather than the 40 available.

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TRANG TRANG May 17, 2010 May 17, 2010 at 6:11:28 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Indeed, we forgot to add them all. It should be fine now :)

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Swift Swift May 18, 2010 May 18, 2010 at 3:32:07 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Brilliant, thanks! :-)

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sysko sysko May 17, 2010 May 17, 2010 at 1:28:51 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

It should works now

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JeroenHoek JeroenHoek May 18, 2010 May 18, 2010 at 8:41:44 AM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Japanese searches don't work for me. It picks up English just fine though. Character encoding issue?

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TRANG TRANG May 18, 2010 May 18, 2010 at 12:35:10 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

It should be working again :)

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JeroenHoek JeroenHoek May 18, 2010 May 18, 2010 at 1:21:20 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

That was fast. Nice work.

blay_paul blay_paul May 18, 2010 May 18, 2010 at 8:49:49 AM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Japanese doesn't work for me either. But then I never really used it because it's just too fancy-pants for me. :-P

I use the search in WWWJDIC or search in the export files I downloaded.

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sysko sysko May 18, 2010 May 18, 2010 at 9:12:59 AM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

No not encoding issue
my own, I will refix it soon, I was optimizing the search speed. more especially the from "all" to "all" or "one" to "all" .
the search works for Japanese if you precise both from and to languages

Really sorry, will fix it ASAP and after I will not touch the search engine before a long time

sysko sysko May 17, 2010 May 17, 2010 at 10:06:05 AM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

weird, it works with other languages ... Ok I will dig into this, but I don't promise it will work before some hours, as I've no SSH access to the server, so I will not be able to update it before I go back home.

blay_paul blay_paul May 17, 2010 May 17, 2010 at 3:42:54 AM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Everybody hit refresh now! ;-)

Scott Scott May 16, 2010 May 16, 2010 at 6:05:40 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Anybody else receive this phishing email?

My Name is lilian. I was impressed when i saw your profile at tatoeba.org/ and i will
like you to email me back to my inbox so that i can send you my picture for you to know who i am.i believe we can establish a long lasting relationship with you.
In addition,i will like you to reply me through my
private e mail box (lilian50asiku@yahoo.com).
This is because i dont know the possibilities of
remaining in forum for a long time.
Thanks,waiting to hear from you soonest.
lilian.

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Scott Scott May 16, 2010 May 16, 2010 at 6:08:46 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

I think she liked the mysterious ambiguity of my profile, which contains no information whatsoever.

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Pharamp Pharamp May 16, 2010 May 16, 2010 at 6:49:24 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Yep I received 3 of them.

I think she liked a lot my profile so XD

sysko sysko May 16, 2010 May 16, 2010 at 6:07:43 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

seems everyone has received it, spambot, so DO NOT reply to this

sysko sysko May 16, 2010 May 16, 2010 at 11:57:49 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

they have been deleted, thanks to have warned us:)