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Cumle #2113004

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Cumleya şima nêamê îlawekerdene çunke cêrênî xora estê.
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Açarnayîşî
Lînkê nê açarnayîşî wedarne link Bike açarnayîşo raşteraşt chevron_right
{{translation.furigana.info_message}} {{translation.text}} Cumleya mewcûde #{{::translation.id}} sey açarnayîşêk amê îlawekerdene.
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Açarnayîşanê açarnayîşan
Lînkê nê açarnayîşî wedarne link Bike açarnayîşo raşteraşt chevron_right
{{translation.furigana.info_message}} {{translation.text}} Cumleya mewcûde #{{::translation.id}} sey açarnayîşêk amê îlawekerdene.
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{{vm.expandableIcon}} {{vm.sentence.expandLabel}} Hîna tay açarnayîşî

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Eldad Eldad December 30, 2012 December 30, 2012 at 13:49:07 UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Would you use this "unpleasant" saying to "Вы"? ;-)

I guess it's the plural « Вы » rather than a singular « Вы » :)

Eldad Eldad December 30, 2012 December 30, 2012 at 13:52:24 UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

I was asking due to the translation into Hebrew.
I used a plural verb in my translation (for "you" in the plural).

sharptoothed sharptoothed December 30, 2012 December 30, 2012 at 13:52:44 UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

> Would you use this "unpleasant" saying to "Вы"? ;-)

Sure we whould. :-) Russian people are severe yet polite people. ;-) We can use "Вы" even sending people to devil. :-)

Eldad Eldad December 30, 2012 December 30, 2012 at 13:54:11 UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Thanks :-)

So, should I add another variant in Hebrew, addressed in the singular rather than plural? (I've already posted the variant in the plural).

sharptoothed sharptoothed December 30, 2012 December 30, 2012 at 13:56:07 UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

You know, without context it's hard to determine was this addressed to a single person or to a group of people. In Russian both cases are possible. :-)

marafon marafon December 30, 2012 December 30, 2012 at 14:00:18 UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

> Sure we whould. :-)
+1

Eldad Eldad December 30, 2012 December 30, 2012 at 14:00:34 UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Excellent! ;-)
Thanks, this is exactly what I needed to know. Both variants would therefore be accepted (singular and plural)

Eldad Eldad December 30, 2012 December 30, 2012 at 14:02:24 UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Wait... Now you both got me confused ;-)

"Вы" is anyhow used in Russian either in the singular (same as in French "vous", as a token of respect) and in the plural.

marafon marafon December 30, 2012 December 30, 2012 at 14:07:36 UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Example:
- Идите [Вы] к чёрту, Том!
- Идите [вы все] к чёрту!

Eldad Eldad December 30, 2012 December 30, 2012 at 14:10:58 UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Indeed :)
Thanks!

sharptoothed sharptoothed December 30, 2012 December 30, 2012 at 14:11:12 UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

As you certainly know, in Russian polite way of addressing a person prescribes using plural forms of words. This causes am ambiguity when we don't have enough context. Take a look and compare. :-)
- Идите к чёрту!
- Идите к чёрту, Фёдор Михайлович!
- Шли бы Вы к чёрту, уважаемый!
- Да идите вы все к чёрту!

marafon marafon December 30, 2012 December 30, 2012 at 14:11:14 UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Or:
- Иди [ты] к чёрту, Том!

http://tatoeba.org/rus/sentences/show/2113064

Eldad Eldad December 30, 2012 December 30, 2012 at 14:13:02 UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

I see the difference now:
if it's a singular "Вы", it will be a capital В; otherwise, it will be a lowercase letter -- addressing plural --, unless it's in the beginning of the sentence.

marafon marafon December 30, 2012 December 30, 2012 at 14:15:30 UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Exactly!

sharptoothed sharptoothed December 30, 2012 December 30, 2012 at 14:18:13 UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Actually, "вы" doesn't require capitalization unless we're writing an official document or personal letter. But we are, me and Marina, found useful to use capitalization to explicitly indicate that we're dealing with polite addressing to a single person rather than to a group. :-)

Eldad Eldad December 30, 2012 December 30, 2012 at 14:20:00 UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

And you're not the only ones ;-)
I see. Thanks!

soweli_Elepanto soweli_Elepanto December 30, 2012 December 30, 2012 at 14:24:27 UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

In the modern Russian language they vere often use "вы", but not "Вы" to address even a single person. There are not strict rules about case of letter for singular "вы". Nevertheless, it is unformally considered more polite to write "Вы".

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