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Cumle #3975213

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Cumleya şima nêamê îlawekerdene çunke cêrênî xora estê.
Cumle #{{vm.sentence.id}} – aîdê {{vm.sentence.user.username}} ya Cumle #{{vm.sentence.id}}
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content_copy Cumle kopya bike info Şo rîpelê cumle
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Açarnayîşî
Lînkê nê açarnayîşî wedarne link Bike açarnayîşo raşteraşt chevron_right
{{translation.furigana.info_message}} {{translation.text}} Cumleya mewcûde #{{::translation.id}} sey açarnayîşêk amê îlawekerdene.
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Açarnayîşanê açarnayîşan
Lînkê nê açarnayîşî wedarne link Bike açarnayîşo raşteraşt chevron_right
{{translation.furigana.info_message}} {{translation.text}} Cumleya mewcûde #{{::translation.id}} sey açarnayîşêk amê îlawekerdene.
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{{vm.expandableIcon}} {{vm.sentence.expandLabel}} Hîna tay açarnayîşî

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Pfirsichbaeumchen Pfirsichbaeumchen March 21, 2015, March 21, 2015 de ame/ê pergalkerdene March 21, 2015 at 9:08:34 PM UTC, March 21, 2015 at 9:08:42 PM UTC de ame/ê pergalkerdene flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Wir können ruhig die Errungenschaft der Minuskel und des Buchstaben U nutzen. ☺

alexmarcelo alexmarcelo March 21, 2015 March 21, 2015 at 9:58:10 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Genau. ☺

pullnosemans pullnosemans March 21, 2015 March 21, 2015 at 10:26:26 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

NIEMALS :D

ne, also keine ahnung, ich finde, das kommt so irgendwie authentischer rüber, auch wenn man so den eindruck kriegt, dass die römer sich grundsätzlich immer angeschrien haben. andererseits kam das konzept des lesens ohne die worte auszusprechen auch erst später, also ist das vielleicht gar nicht so weit von der realität..? :)

stört euch das sehr? ich find's schön so, aber wenn alle anderen es doof finden, kann ich's auch ändern. aber dann ist die majuskel fei V, die minuskel u, gell!

alexmarcelo alexmarcelo March 21, 2015, March 21, 2015 de ame/ê pergalkerdene March 21, 2015 at 10:40:56 PM UTC, March 21, 2015 at 10:43:47 PM UTC de ame/ê pergalkerdene flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Ancient Romans wouldn't use spacing, either.

In my opinion, there's no need to write something like CORONASYMBOLVMREGVMEST today.

Why?

First, because we're not Ancient Romans. Tatoeba contains a lot of Latin sentences from later periods, when punctuation and capitalization had come to use.

Secondly, these modern conventions make it much easier for students to read and translate from Latin.

Finally, we, Tatoeba users, have inevitably been putting these sentences under the same flag, so we should define what the input is going to be. Furthermore, it wouldn't be difficult to create a script to display Latin sentences following the ancient style, which could easily convert "Corona symbolum regum est." into something like

CORONA•SYMBOLVM•REGVM•EST

I simply love that.

Of course, this is just my opinion as a Latin teacher, student, and lover.

pullnosemans pullnosemans March 21, 2015 March 21, 2015 at 11:04:24 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

strong arguments, I have to admit.

I would still say that a certain amount of pluralism couldn't harm this site, which is basically the fundamental argument I bring up against people suggesting my sentences or their format to be changed (which unfortunately has been happening a lot so far). I usually have put a good amount of thought into how exactly I have the sentences look, so I think my version should be acceptable even if I'm faced with solid counterarguments, like yours right at the moment. in this case, we could say that this closer-to-ancient-writing format simply represents the formatting that was used around ad 1, while other formattings represent other times.

I'm not quite sure how much it would mean if I just were like "nah, I'm gonna do it my way" now. or, put differently, are you discussing with me just to make me see your points, so that I can think my own perspective over and change it if I want to? or because you really want me to change it, because you think it would be better for the site to change it?

if two essential tatoeba members tell me I should change this formatting, I will, but only out of respect for the site and the people who have done a lot for it, not because I think it's the best to unify the way things are done here as much as possible. I hope this makes sense.

so, to wrap things up: even though you definitely have a point, I think that my way is acceptable, too. if you still think I should adhere to your way for the best of the site, I will. if you think it's okay if I stick with mine, I'll do that.

hope I'm not causing you unnecessary trouble.

alexmarcelo alexmarcelo March 21, 2015, March 21, 2015 de ame/ê pergalkerdene March 21, 2015 at 11:18:41 PM UTC, March 21, 2015 at 11:20:45 PM UTC de ame/ê pergalkerdene flag Report link Lînko payîdar

> are you discussing with me just to make me see your points,
> so that I can think my own perspective over and change it
> if I want to?
No.

> or because you really want me to change it,
No.

> because you think it would be better for the site to change it?
Yes. :-)

It's nothing to do with style. As I said, I like your input (with the bullet sign instead of the space) better than the Medieval (sive current) one.

Capitalization alone is not a problem. It's all about style and personal preferences, as I put. "Vv" and "Uu", on the other hand, are trouble. For a search engine, "symbolvm" and "symbolum" are completely different words, which basically means your sentence will never be found by a user who wants to find example sentences with the word "symbol" in it.

We've had a similar discussion on the usage of diacritical marks for quantity.

Again, you don't have to change it if you don't feel like it. I'm just writing my opinion to express what I think is better for the community as a whole, since our search engine could not support some of this script "diversity".

Cheers. ;-)

pullnosemans pullnosemans March 22, 2015 March 22, 2015 at 11:37:00 AM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

alright alright.

sounds to me like a conversion tool would really be an attractive option here, with the different styles in use.

but for the time being, I'll change my stuff. do you think I should just post a suggestion for someone to write the script? or should I leave stuff like that to the biggies of the site (such as you two)?

alexmarcelo alexmarcelo March 22, 2015 March 22, 2015 at 2:21:53 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

You could bring that suggestion to the wall and ask whether someone is willing to do so. Even though it shouldn't be difficult to code, I haven't seen many of our programmers for a while. I haven't been present myself, but I think I'll be much more available from now on.

Sorry for the pain I might have caused you.

pullnosemans pullnosemans March 22, 2015 March 22, 2015 at 8:38:33 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

it's chill.

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Na cumle verî sey açarnayîşê cumleya #3973730Die Krone ist das Symbol der Könige. amê îlawekerdene.

CORONA SYMBOLVM REGVM EST

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Corona symbolum regum est.

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