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sysko sysko September 20, 2010 September 20, 2010 at 10:47:13 AM UTC link Permalink

The problem in fact is not one word sentence itself,it's that some user will abuse, and I want simple rule for moderators to play their role without waiting for me or Trang to say "yes" or "no".
After As I've said you can use them in conjonction to an other sentence, which will bring more context in how to use this
for example in tibetan you have 2 way to say goodbye, one if you're the one who's leaving, and one if you're staying. so if instead of "goodbye" , you have "I'm leaving, it's late. Goodbye"

After I think there's 2 big categories of one word sentences / really short sentences.
1 - idiom or common saying (Hello / Thanks/ Bon appétit etc.)
2 - specific grammar pattern (imperativ in English / French)

for the first one , it's something I haven't talk about here yet, but we're collaborating with the shtooka project as some of you may know to provide audio.
Their first of their own project was to record audio for single words, common saying etc. and they're going to open their website to collaborative works
here is a spoiler http://swac-collections.org/sea...*&locale=en_GB
http://swac-collections.org/sea...*&locale=en_GB
http://swac-collections.org/sea...*&locale=en_GB
It's still a beginning, but as you can see they handle conjugated forms, common sayings etc. and translations.
So that's why I think when they will open (which should not be so long), their interface will be much more appropriate to short sentences (I will say 'short' instead of 1-words)
Moreover I know the guys who're making this project, I eat with them, fucongcong has made their design, the guy (zmoo in tatoeba /irc) is making our new database, so don't see it as a "Hey please stop annoy me with your short sentences go there, thanksbye", but as "it will be a better place", and it's highly possible (and we're planning that) that they will have bridges between the two projects
you will be able to see tatoeba sentences using the words / short sentences in shtooka
you will be able to see words / short sentences include in tatoeba sentences which are present in shtooka

so to make it short I think in the future
short short sentences / common sayings / words / conjugated words / short pattern (an apple etc.) => shtooka
bigger sentences, with some of them using common sayings with context etc. => tatoeba
That way it will be easier for someone to know where to find something, and for us, to develop interface adapted for each problematic.

sysko sysko September 19, 2010 September 19, 2010 at 2:17:39 AM UTC link Permalink

Unfortunately not before the next version of tatoeba,for the moment each "level" of translation increase exponentially the time needed for the request.

sysko sysko September 18, 2010 September 18, 2010 at 7:37:46 PM UTC link Permalink

and only sentences in Turkish, not in plenty of languages in which you're not an expert. Anyway you have a day to think about it.

sysko sysko September 18, 2010 September 18, 2010 at 7:21:28 PM UTC link Permalink

For the moment you're blocked, you've registered some months ago and each weeks you've found new kind of forbidden things, from copying copyrighted sentences, personnal attacks, "google translate" sentences etc. etc.
I know you're a kid, but there's some limits. We've warned you many many times, you've sworn you will add sentences only languages you really speak, and you've continued to add exotic languages, and flooding the wall, private message, and the IRC with 'add this!' 'add this!'
And once I've blocked your account after a last warning, rather than trying to see with us why, you've created an other account pretending to be someone else.

So your account will be blocked in adding sentences still one day or two,
try to think about what you've done
Do Trang and Me have time to spend all our free time to check what you've done ? Don't you think it will be better for tatoeba if we can think "hey they're all mature, so we can improve tatoeba rather than check everything"

So follow the rule, stop acting as a 6 years old child crying 'I want it ! I want it !', and you will be able to continue participating in tatoeba as the other contributors.

sysko sysko September 18, 2010 September 18, 2010 at 12:40:14 AM UTC link Permalink

I would be interested if you know how to update sphinx index in real time using their xml interface, because we're going to move from mysql to our home made database and it will use xml for returning result.

sysko sysko September 18, 2010 September 18, 2010 at 12:37:27 AM UTC link Permalink

for the sphinx.conf , I can give you the one we use for our sphinx ;-)

sysko sysko September 17, 2010 September 17, 2010 at 9:06:01 PM UTC link Permalink

yep what you've said is right.

sysko sysko September 17, 2010 September 17, 2010 at 6:24:33 PM UTC link Permalink

Sure:) but shanghainese is most of the time never written, so we do need to search in old dictionnary how to write them, and even tough, some of them can be directly typed with common IME
(ok I'm finding excuse :p)
Anyway that's always great to see languages which were not present some monthes ago to reach thousands of sentences, after this point it begins to be really really valuable for learners :)

sysko sysko September 17, 2010 September 17, 2010 at 5:09:24 PM UTC link Permalink

The fact is it lacks context, and it open doors to "controversial" entry "Apple." ("What is written on the board ?" "Apple." )
so if you want to have "buy!" you can do as blay paul said
It's coming up to Christmas here and all the shops are like "Buy! Buy! Buy!"
this doesn't please you ?

for the debate, it's explained on my previous post. And you give a perfect example, how many time do we have pass on discussing about "Buy!"

sysko sysko September 17, 2010 September 17, 2010 at 5:01:22 PM UTC link Permalink

I was answering
>"I have several dictionaries of proverbs on my bookshelf. In fact, **anything** can turn out to be a dictionary entry. "

so yep anything can be an entry (as tatoeba is sentence dictionnary), so I was refering to the entry of a word dictionnary when I said "we don't want in tatoeba things which can be found in a word dictionnary (but not only)"

The neccessity of a such a decree. It's not the first there's a debate
"does 'coalition of the willing' is something which has to be in tatoeba"

moreover Trang and me for personnal reason will maybe have less time in the future to take part in this kind of debates, especially in language we don't know. And number of users will increase. So we need moderators who can rely on clear definition of "what can be added in tatoeba, and what can't"

sysko sysko September 17, 2010 September 17, 2010 at 4:51:14 PM UTC link Permalink

and as you've said , if someone really want to have the nominal sentence "An apple." or imperativ "Buy!" He can include it in clearer contenxt

["what are you eating" "an apple"]
The goal of tatoeba is not to cover all the panel of possible things one can say or write. If we cover 90% of possible structure, without having to debate during days about whether an entry has to be or not in tatoeba.
The more famous tatoeba will be, the more user like boracasli we will have, and I don't want to check all entries of these guys. The goal is to have something clear and simple that moderators can use without needing to say "But it's not clear if Trang and Sysko want it, wait them for an answer"

sysko sysko September 17, 2010 September 17, 2010 at 4:41:32 PM UTC link Permalink

seems you still haven't read the "it will all be explained" and stated in the blog post.
and yep anyway tatoeba is a dictionnary of example sentences. I mean a "word dictionnary"

sysko sysko September 17, 2010 September 17, 2010 at 4:21:43 PM UTC link Permalink

I mean dictionnary entry, in the absolute the goal of tatoeba would to be the source of this example sentences. and most of open source dictionnary don't have example sentences, if we can collaborate rather than duplicate works, I think it's better.

sysko sysko September 17, 2010 September 17, 2010 at 4:18:56 PM UTC link Permalink

the goal is not to have such precise definition, even if by the past if was not the case,
for my spare time, I will not comment on it

so it will be in fact a definition of what we allow and what we do not allow in tatoeba

time change yep, sorry if we can't manage 1000+ sentences a day the same way we manage 10+ sentence a day.

sysko sysko September 17, 2010 September 17, 2010 at 3:02:38 PM UTC link Permalink

for the precise decision I've said it will be done in the blog post

for "wwwjdic" is a dictionnary, I mean, a word dictionnary.
sure all need moderation, but do we have time to debate on all sentences ?
because "An apple." can be a nominal sentence, answering to "what are you eating".

So my opinion is rather a little strict rule, which will maybe avoid some sentences, but easy to remember apply, rather than weak definition.
When tatoeba will have hundreds of moderators, we will change our point of view.

sysko sysko September 17, 2010 September 17, 2010 at 12:19:14 PM UTC link Permalink

thanks:)

sysko sysko September 17, 2010 September 17, 2010 at 11:50:11 AM UTC link Permalink

ok, I've done it. thanks

sysko sysko September 17, 2010 September 17, 2010 at 11:44:53 AM UTC link Permalink

félicitations :) (and you did it before Shanghainese :p)

sysko sysko September 17, 2010 September 17, 2010 at 11:34:55 AM UTC link Permalink

It seems the last time I've run it (some weeks ago), some bugs occurs, so I prefer to check it carefully. Anyway I think I will be less busy next week, so I hope I will have time to do that.

sysko sysko September 16, 2010 September 16, 2010 at 9:07:11 PM UTC link Permalink

there a chance, but these week I'm following a formation, I need to prepare my trip to China where I will be a campus director, so it's a lot of stuff to deal with, so unfortunately.
But as soon as I have some free time, I will try to fix it.

For the patch, yep if you can make it, I will only take 2 seconds for me to integrate it, so it's maybe the best solution, as I have no Opera on my computers.