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Igider Igider ١١ فبراير ٢٠٢٤, edited ١٣ فبراير ٢٠٢٤ ١١ فبراير ٢٠٢٤ ٧:٢٤:٢١ م UTC, edited ١٣ فبراير ٢٠٢٤ ٨:١٦:٤٤ ص UTC link Permalink

Tanemmirt. It's very kind of you.

Igider Igider ٩ فبراير ٢٠٢٤, edited ١٠ فبراير ٢٠٢٤ ٩ فبراير ٢٠٢٤ ٦:٠١:٣٤ م UTC, edited ١٠ فبراير ٢٠٢٤ ١٢:٣٩:٠٩ م UTC link Permalink

There are several sites devoted to the Kabyle language, starting with Wikipedia. Almost 7000 articles.

https://kab.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asebter_agejdan

Igider Igider ٦ فبراير ٢٠٢٤, edited ٦ فبراير ٢٠٢٤ ٦ فبراير ٢٠٢٤ ٩:١٩:٤١ ص UTC, edited ٦ فبراير ٢٠٢٤ ٩:١٩:٥٨ ص UTC link Permalink

You've created the profil very recently.

:-)

Igider Igider ٥ فبراير ٢٠٢٤, edited ٩ فبراير ٢٠٢٤ ٥ فبراير ٢٠٢٤ ١١:٢٢:٤٧ م UTC, edited ٩ فبراير ٢٠٢٤ ٥:٥٩:٢٣ م UTC link Permalink

You've raised a very good question. By the way, the Berber language as defined in Tatoeba is a catch-all, because 80% of its phrases are Kabyle phrases but with a mixture of other Berber words. This mixture is not based on any linguistic reality, only ideology. The "Kabyle Berberists" who created this ideology think that by imposing their Kabyle language and mixing it with 20% of other languages, they will be able to unite all Berbers.

By the way, everything you can find in the way of novels, poetry, theatre, websites, music... It's 70% Kabyle. Because the Kabyle language has been transcribed into Latin since the 18th century. And there are 12 million Kabyles. Even the flag that Tatoeba's admins have imposed on the Kabyle language is not the right one, but rather the flag of all Berbers. The Kabyle flag has been removed from Tatoeba, since that. So the ideology feeds on another ideology. But the Kabyle language will progress, that's for sure. You only have to look at the digital fields in which the Kabyle language is used for localisation, learning and so on.

There are several sites devoted to the Kabyle language, starting with Wikipedia.

https://kab.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asebter_agejdan

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As for the nature of this contributor, it is clearly defined by these polemical sentences in which apology for terrorism is made (Glorifying HAMAS, demonizing Israel and the Jewish people...):

https://tatoeba.org/fr/sentence...rd_count_min=1

And proselytism is clear in these 2488 occurrences:

https://tatoeba.org/fr/sentence...rd_count_min=1

As far as the Kabyle flag is concerned, we have one that is defined and accepted for one year on Tatoeba's site, until this individual IMPOSES his dictatorship by pushing the admins, after insults and creation of false accounts, to ban the Kabyle flag in order to impose another that is not appropriate.

It's very hurtful for those affected by this gratuitous censorship.

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Hi Alan,

And to think that those in charge of Tatoeba sided with this hater (antisemitism, proselytism, multifaceted, multiaccounted, a stooge of a dictatorship...) to suppress the Kabyle flag. We've been robbed of our beloved flag, to please someone who isn't even part of the Kabyle corpus. Wanton injustice against people who want nothing more than to be respected. Kabyle people made a request to the UN, EU and Washington.

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Tujjya s lɛejlan a Mass Ɛmeṛ, ttḥadar iman-ik.

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محتوى هذه الرسالة مخالف لقواعدنا ولذلك فقد أُخفي. يظهر المحتوى للمشرفين ولكاتب الرسالة فقط.

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محتوى هذه الرسالة مخالف لقواعدنا ولذلك فقد أُخفي. يظهر المحتوى للمشرفين ولكاتب الرسالة فقط.

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محتوى هذه الرسالة مخالف لقواعدنا ولذلك فقد أُخفي. يظهر المحتوى للمشرفين ولكاتب الرسالة فقط.

Igider Igider ٢٢ يناير ٢٠٢٣ ٢٢ يناير ٢٠٢٣ ٦:٤١:٥٢ م UTC link Permalink

Feliz aniversário Calos.

Igider Igider ٢١ يناير ٢٠٢٣ ٢١ يناير ٢٠٢٣ ٥:٣٢:٢١ م UTC link Permalink

Tanemmirt a Rafiq,

Ad d-iniɣ ula d nekk akken ɣef leqdic-ik. Akken i k-nesnemmer drus!

Awi-d kan ad teddu teqbaylit (Teqvaylit) ɣer sdat u ad taf iman-is akken ilaq.


Afud uǧhid ula i kečč.

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Tanemmirt a Samir,

Ad dhuɣ deg-sent akk, akken ma llant. Yiwet yiwet, awal awal, asekkil asekkil!
Kkes ugur akk!

Afud uzmir ula i kečč.

:-)

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Azul,

Seɣtaɣ ugar n 11.000 n tefyar deg kra n wussan kan (s uṭagi aṛbiɛi/adal). Mazal, arma fukkeɣ-tent-akk (≈304.000).
Ttbeddileɣ tidak n ṣṣmaṭa, akken ad lhunt u ad sɛunt lmeɛna/anamek.

Ad yili usuqel ɣer tefransist neɣ taglizit akken ad sɛunt akk assaɣen. Yak d wa i d iswi!

Mazal ad d-rnun iwiziwen/tiwiziwin, ussan-a, akken ad s-nefk ddḥis, axaṭeṛ nxuṣṣ mliḥ deg usuqel.

Afud uzmir i yal yiwet d yal yiwen.

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محتوى هذه الرسالة مخالف لقواعدنا ولذلك فقد أُخفي. يظهر المحتوى للمشرفين ولكاتب الرسالة فقط.

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محتوى هذه الرسالة مخالف لقواعدنا ولذلك فقد أُخفي. يظهر المحتوى للمشرفين ولكاتب الرسالة فقط.

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@AlanF_US
@Shishir

Thank you for your answer.

Rafik is/was not the person responsible for the Kabyle corpus. And we were not informed of this event at all. It was expeditious! And do you find it normal that a contributor of a language wants to add almost 100,000 sentences to another language?

Would you accept that a contributor of your respective languages, after 3 years of contribution, decides overnight to add tens of thousands of sentences to another language? And this behind closed doors? Would you really do it? Is that moral?

I have not insulted Islam, I have exposed facts, the same ones concerning Algeria, I have exposed sentences found in independent newspapers. I have a total of 150 sentences on these two words, unlike those who proselytize and Judeophobie speech in thousands of sentences. You have the links.

The kabyle flag is our really representative flag. Berber flag representd all berber in the world. Do you accept changing your own flag to another just because it matters for a person who is not concerned about it?

For the repetitive sentences, I have already talked about them, as well as the solutions.

By the way, I translate every day.

I'll respect your decision whatever you'll decide.

Best regards.

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Yes you get it.

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I propose you better, if you allow it, then no orphan sentences will be introduced. Only sentences with at least one link. Until the languages have obtained 100% translations. At least the first 20 languages.

We will also need to recover the sentences of our Kabyle corpus, the one of the contributor "Talwit" who left this project, unfortunately.

Finally, we need to recover our Kabyle flag with which we registered in Tatoeba. Then we will start on real good bases and a real good year.

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Dear contributors, dear administrators, Hi,

First of all, I present my best wishes for the new year. 🎊💐🎉

We have already explained the interest of having this kind of sentences.

First, it's for geolocation needs by integrating these sentences in GPS systems (My colleague @Rafik explained it recently), then in AI, Chatbot, among others, because we don't have yet algorithms that can generate these types of sentences by themselves. If you know of any, please let us know.

The Kabyle language, which is a fragile language, must have more opportunities just like the endangered languages. Especially since the names of Kabyle villages are replaced by Arabic names because of the policy of Arabization.

Besides, could you tell me why there are thousands of sentences of:

Boston
https://tatoeba.org/fr/sentence...ery=Boston&to=

New York
https://tatoeba.org/fr/sentence...y=New+york&to=

Los Angeles
https://tatoeba.org/fr/sentence...&query=L.A&to=

Do you also think, that it is more relevant than knowing that:

Tom got married in Boston.
Tom got married in L.A.
Tom got married in N.Y. .................................etc

Then there is Tom, there is Mary, there is Mr. Jackson, Mr. White...etc. With the same verbs each time, yet we translate them with pleasure.

Many sentences are redundant!

And then thousands of sentences with the name Algeria in Berber (Lezzayer = Zzayer)

Zzayer
https://tatoeba.org/fr/sentence...ery=Zzayer&to=

Lezzayer
https://tatoeba.org/fr/sentence...y=Lezzayer&to=

The usefulness of proselytizing sentences like (Accept Islam)
https://tatoeba.org/fr/sentence...uery=islam&to=

Hate phrases against the State of Israel
https://tatoeba.org/fr/sentence...o&user=Amastan

...etc.

I have only given two examples of languages, English and Berber. There are hundreds of other examples.

As for me, I am constantly correcting even sentences with village names. I also improve them and diversify them. (Please feel free to check them out)

If some contributors are uncomfortable with translating them, I will translate them myself with my colleagues, we speak Arabic, English, French, German, Spanish...etc. No problem. Our team has grown too.

In the end and in parenthesis, you gave all the sentences of a Kabyle contributor (who changed his name to : TALWIT, who left the project, after receiving threats by the same person who creates the polemics), to the "Berber language", without consulting the Kabyle contributors, not even the person responsible for the Kabyle corpus. Almost 100,000 sentences. Do the contributors of Tatoeba know this sad event? I doubt it.

Talwit's sentences (You can check out)
https://tatoeba.org/fr/sentence.../Talwit?page=5

What do we do with these Kabyle phrases?

Our flag was also deleted, just because it displeases the same person who creates polemics!

So what do we do with our Kabyle flag?

Finally, we know where these controversies come from, which delay and complicate things for us.

Do you have any suggestions, dear administrators?


Best regards.

@Admins
@AlanF_US