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Cumle #31337

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Cumleya şima nêamê îlawekerdene çunke cêrênî xora estê.
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Açarnayîşî
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{{translation.furigana.info_message}} {{translation.text}} Cumleya mewcûde #{{::translation.id}} sey açarnayîşêk amê îlawekerdene.
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Açarnayîşanê açarnayîşan
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{{translation.furigana.info_message}} {{translation.text}} Cumleya mewcûde #{{::translation.id}} sey açarnayîşêk amê îlawekerdene.
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{{vm.expandableIcon}} {{vm.sentence.expandLabel}} Hîna tay açarnayîşî

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Eldad Eldad October 8, 2012 October 8, 2012 at 9:13:30 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

yet >> already
?

sharptoothed sharptoothed October 8, 2012 October 8, 2012 at 9:58:37 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

I think it's OK for interrogative sentences.

Eldad Eldad October 8, 2012 October 8, 2012 at 10:03:48 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

I would say the word "yet" would be more suitable for the following sentence:
Haven't you finished yet?

Eldad Eldad October 8, 2012 October 8, 2012 at 10:09:58 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

@Dima, as for yourself, you used in your variant the same word I would use in Hebrew in such context, i.e., уже, rather than еще.

Eldad Eldad October 8, 2012 October 8, 2012 at 10:17:17 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

It's interesting to note that most of the contributors in the languages of the current thread have used their own counterparts of "already" rather than "yet":
French: déjà
Polish: już (same as Russian, уже)
Spanish: Ya
Portuguese: Já
etc.

sharptoothed sharptoothed October 8, 2012 October 8, 2012 at 10:19:11 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Actually, I translated this phrase from Japanese :-) Japanese もう (mo:) means "уже" here. As for English, I saw such kinds of English sentences before and my dictionary suggests to translate "yet" as "уже" in interrogatives.
And as for "Haven't you finished yet?" it will be translated something like "Ты (что, ) всё еще не закончил?" or "Ты (что, ) до сих пор не закончил?", I believe. :-)

Eldad Eldad October 8, 2012 October 8, 2012 at 10:23:26 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Yes, I agree.
By the way, is this "mo" part of the phrase "mou ichido kudasai"? :-)

sharptoothed sharptoothed October 8, 2012 October 8, 2012 at 10:31:09 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

That's right! :-) もう一度ください(mo: ichido kudasai) literary means "еще раз, пожалуйста". That is, "mo:" can mean "еще" sometimes. :-)
By the way, is we compare Russian "Ты уже закончил?" and "Ты еще не закончил?" we'll found that those two sentences are very similar in sense. :-)

Eldad Eldad October 8, 2012 October 8, 2012 at 10:43:50 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Thanks! :)

By the way, I'm not really sure "Ты уже закончил?" and "Ты еще не закончил?" are similar in their meaning. It depends on the real situation (the situation on the ground), I guess :)

sharptoothed sharptoothed October 8, 2012 October 8, 2012 at 11:01:39 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Yes, you're right. :-) All depends on the real situation. But I think it just illustrates one more time how close to each other "еще" and "уже" are and we are just lucky that in Russian, unlike some other languages, it's almost impossible to confuse them with one another. :-)

Eldad Eldad October 9, 2012 October 9, 2012 at 9:28:42 AM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

@CK, could you comment on this sentence?

I believe the normal way to say it in English nowadays would be with "already". However, you are a native speaker, so, what would you think of "yet" in the current sentence? Does it sound OK?

Eldad Eldad October 9, 2012 October 9, 2012 at 10:20:17 AM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Thanks a lot, CK.

So, for your native speaker's ear it sounds the same as "Have you finished already?"
?
Or is there a different shade of meaning here?

Demetrius Demetrius October 9, 2012 October 9, 2012 at 10:28:40 AM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

>> Google with the complete sentence in quotes.
But beware if the Google says the results are approximate (e.g. like with your queries, ‘Результатов: примерно 120 000’): these numbers are good for nothing and shouldn’t be trusted.

Eldad Eldad October 9, 2012 October 9, 2012 at 10:32:27 AM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Thanks, @CK (yes, I would use "already" "inside" the sentence rather than at the end, same as you).

blay_paul blay_paul October 9, 2012 October 9, 2012 at 12:49:42 PM UTC flag Report link Lînko payîdar

Google's gone downhill over the last few years.

morbrorper morbrorper December 22, 2023, December 22, 2023 de ame/ê pergalkerdene December 22, 2023 at 9:48:51 AM UTC, December 22, 2023 at 9:51:57 AM UTC de ame/ê pergalkerdene flag Report link Lînko payîdar

"When we use yet in an affirmative question, it shows that the speaker is expecting something to happen"

https://dictionary.cambridge.or...sh-grammar/yet


"We use already to emphasise that something was completed before something else happened." "Already is also used to show surprise about things that have happened or will have happened earlier than we expected."

https://dictionary.cambridge.or...rammar/already

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