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Is there a specific reason why the flag for Spanish on Tatoeba is the civil flag of Spain as opposed to the national flag?
National flag: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...g_of_Spain.svg
Civil ensign (current flag for Spanish on Tatoeba): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...28Civil%29.svg
Unless there is a good reason for this, I propose we change the flag for Spanish to the national flag of Spain.
There is no specific reason.
I opened a ticket for this - https://github.com/Tatoeba/tatoeba2/issues/921
One could argue that the Mexican flag should be used instead (though it is what we are using to represent the Nahuatl language) as it is the country with the most Spanish-speakers.
I personally think the (national) Spanish flag is the right choice, just as the Union Jack is the right choice for the English language.
No the Union Jack is not the right flag for the English language, because other languages do exist in the United Kingdom, and equating the nation with its dominant language is just demeaning towards its minority language speakers.
I'm going to go on record as supporting the elimination of flags entirely.
How would people identify sentences quickly, then?
With the language code and away with this silly nationalism !
There is a price to pay, of course: harder to find codes quickly than colourful flags, and I would guess that many people identify more flags than language codes.
I do not have particular opinion here, just writing down the trade-off.
> many people identify more flags than language codes.
And more than a few do it wrongly.
On the benefits side, Tatoeba would avoid low quality contributions that are only motivated by flags ranking...
Another benefit would be didactic : people who ignore it would realise there are different varieties of the same language, geography wise and time wise
I must admit sacredelic's arguments are pretty solid.
The only objection would be purely practical - I really enjoy comparing translations to multiple Slavic and Romance languages when I see them under one sentence, and flags are very practical - you immediately understand which language is which. ISO codes will require some extra brain processing which seems avoidable. Other people might have other reasons for liking flags.
Would be nice to remove flags for unregistered users and use ISO codes instead, but allow registered users to optionally turn the flags on.
> ISO codes will require some extra brain processing
That’s precisely what is needed here...
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Quelqu’un peut-il empêcher Pandaa de troller systématiquement toutes les conversations ?
Merci...
Since it seems we are going into this rabbit hole, I must insert my position.
Why French sentences are marked with the revolutionary 'Tricolore' of 1794? It is relatively a recent flag that does not represent the culture of Québec, which goes back two centuries further.
French in Québec is much more attached to the French of the Ancien Régime than of the post Révolution. This is clearly illustrated on the Québec flag, called 'Fleurdelisé', with its four fleurs de lys in royal white.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/D...du_Qu%C3%A9bec
Québec even has its own dictionaries, such as this one:
http://www.dictionnaire-quebecois.com/
and even has it's own govermental 'Office québécoise de la langue Française'.
http://www.oqlf.gouv.qc.ca/accueil.aspx
which is only one short step away from l'Académie des immortels.
Québec is the largest French nation after France proper. It has its own language, its own expressions, its own intensity in the language.
Marking sentences in French with the Tricolore is an abheration; it does not represent how much richer French is at a more global scale.
If Protugese is shown by a symbol showing half the flag of Portugal and half of Brazil, French must also be shown with half the Tricolore and half the Fleurdelisé.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w...ge_(QC-FR).svg
> Why French sentences are marked with the revolutionary 'Tricolore' of 1794? It is relatively a recent flag that does not represent the culture of Québec, which goes back two centuries further.
Agreed. The actual pre-revolutionary French flag is a : Lys d’or sur fond blanc...
I have no problem with that...
Exaclty!
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w..._de_France.svg
This is not a statement about being royalist or not (for crying out loud, who remembers Louis XVIII?)
At the source, virtually all flavours of the French languags have their root in the Ancien Régime, especially by Cardinal de Richelieu establishing the Académie française. This flag was the one that was flowing then.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...fran%C3%A7aise
I think that every French speaking communities, everywhere, agree that their language goes back to those times. French discipline is the overarching power of our occidental language, in that it has been guided and preserved for nearly four centuries and more. We can read sixteen century publications like the morning newpaper. (Note: 1. Remember, Latin is a dead language, it doesn't count. 2. Some oriental languages go back thousands of years.)
If the flag of de Richelieu was the Lys d'or sur fond blanc, then this flag should be the French language symbol in Totaeba.