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Sorry for flooding the wall like this, but how about adding "unknown" to the language list on the browse page? There are currently some 59 sentences with an unknown language and I haven't seen a way to list them.
Also, when a language is set, it could be useful if the "previous" and "next" links would bring one to the previous and next sentence in that language.
> Sorry for flooding the wall like this, but how about adding
> "unknown" to the language list on the browse page? There
> are currently some 59 sentences with an unknown language
> and I haven't seen a way to list them
Adding "unknown" language to the language list may not really be worth it. I'd rather simply have a page that lists all the sentences with an unknown language.
Anyway I made a list if you are interested.
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences_lists/show/91
A lot of them need to be deleted though.
> Also, when a language is set, it could be useful if the
> "previous" and "next" links would bring one to the
> previous and next sentence in that language.
sysko has added this feature a few days ago actually ^^ It will be available soon :)
I ran through the list and most of these sentences are owned so not much can be done to clean them up by non-admins anyway.
Nice to hear about the previous-and-next feature. No-one can call you guys lazy, pumping out features like this. Well done. That won't be said often enough. :-)
Action request icon
I think I made a similar suggestion before, but, if anything, the situation has become more urgent. With more (very) active contributors it is becoming much easier for comments requiring changes to sentences or links to be overlooked. I (and Jim) don't have time to read every comment that goes past, or to respond to all the ones we do read.
I suggest that there be a "action required" icon along side the "own, favorite, list" icons that can be used to flag sentences that have issues that need dealing with. A link somewhere should point to a list of all such examples. When the sentence is dealt with, the same icon could be used to 'unlist' it from the action needed category.
Yes, we will definitely need to integrate features that make it easier to filter out the increasing flow of information.
But you (and by "you" I mean the contributors in general) will have use the lists as a temporary solution for a month or so... Or like Scott said, you could use some keywords in the comments to make them easily searchable later. The best is to use the lists though.
It's not optimal, but most of the contributions come from people who know how Tatoeba works, so you should be fine as long as you communicate about it with people who don't know about it and are contributing intensively.
There is also a point where you have to accept that it's just not possible for you to follow everything anymore :) I mean, of course it's not good if you are missing out comments. But it's certainly better than having no comments at all.
We will try our best to integrate as soon as we can features that will make your life easier. But until then, just deal with whatever you can, and for the rest, someone will end up taking care of it anyway :)
I think it's still possible for Paul and Jim to review the E-J/J-E sentences. The volume is not that high. Plus, it's important that the quality of these sentences be as high as possible as they are used as the basis of the edict example file. That can only be accomplished by having sentences reviewed by experienced editors.
> I think it's still possible for Paul and Jim to review
> the E-J/J-E sentences. The volume is not that high.
I do review all sentences that are _changed_ but I do not have the time to review all comments that may, or may not, point out a sentence that needs changing. I have health issues, and Jim has a dictionary to maintain (not to mention having a life ;-).
In fact maybe we can add some RSS for comments and sentences ?
for "real time" communications, we have set up an IRC channel on freenode #tatoeba, we're really often here, (maybe after I will see to integrate something in tatoeba to directly have the possibility to chat on the channel without needing to have an IRC client)
I agree wholeheartedly that some sort of system would be useful. Might this not be achieved through lists, though?
Since the lists page is getting pretty crowded, it might be useful to make it possible to "join" public lists so that they stand out at the top of the lists page and/or appear on one's profile page for easy access.
It does seem like an essential feature. In the meantime, we could start these comments with the words "Action Required" so as to make them easily searchable.
The problem is that it wouldn't be as straight forward to remove the item from the list. For the time being, it might be better to use the lists (e.g. http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences_lists/show/29).
> In the meantime, we could start these comments with
> the words "Action Required" so as to make them easily
> searchable.
Doesn't really help much because, a) there is no global search on comments and b) only the original poster would be able to remove the "Action required" comment.
It /could/ be done through lists - but I don't think it would be obvious enough to new contributors.
Browsing a few member pages to see how people use the favourites feature, I noticed that the markup on Pharamp's is all escaped:
<http://tatoeba.org/eng/user/profile/Pharamp>
Furthermore, the markup shows links with the target attribute set to "_blank". This is discouraged by some and the attribute doesn't even exist in XHTML 1.0 Strict which Tatoeba declares in its DTD. My view is that there are occasional uses for the feature, but don't see them here.
the markup has been added by pharamp herself (because before there was a security issue as people could add whatever they want in their description, even javascript etc.. , we will see to add a kind of BBcode)
and I agree to that _blank is not to be used (and I think there's no such things in tatoeba, or at least if I see one, I will delete it :) )
I put _blank just because it seemed rude to me to immediately put out-going links on my profile, and with _blank the page is loaded in another page without leaving Tatoeba.
But if you know another way to do that with the code, I will change or remove it.
Anyway, I noticed HTML isn't working again! Can you fix it? Or I will change my profile :)
Bug report: favourite icon and list icon do not work on the contribute page.
After you add a sentence (or several sentences) then the favourite and list icons on the contribute page do not work. The translate and the own icon do work.
Favourites
Aren't favourites just a list of sentences?
Er, yes, but what's your point?
I'm just wondering why we have a separate list for "favourites". Since features are constantly being added, it seems it might be a good idea to see where we can slim things down and simplify.
Since favourites are just a list, how about merging that functionality into the lists?
In fact favorites has been added a "long" time ago (to be precise this was my first contribution as a developper in Tatoeba :D), at this time list doesn't exist,
when list appears, I kept the favorite feature, as I tought even if they look the same, the purpose is not really the same :
List for a "public usage" a kind of classification
and favorites for a more "personnal" use
(personnaly I use favorite for sentence I need to quickly find, for example to ask a friend if it's correct etc.. as it's faster to favorite/unfavorite and I really don't know how to call such list, neither want to create a list for that)
In fact the problem yet is that list is our current way classify everything, so they get a bit bloatted
adding a tagging system will permit to delete some lists
Yeah, I figured favourites had preceded the lists. I seem, however, to have gotten a different understanding of the purpose of those lists.
The lists page shows the public and "other" lists. I reckoned that these were public and private lists. The public lists seem to fall into two main categories: Sentence type or difficulty, and maintenance categories.
That makes perfect sense but I believe there is also a use for private lists that individuals create. Since the latest (May 16th) update, lists can now be downloaded (e.g. for use in Anki) which is really only useful for smaller lists (preferably compiled by the users themselves). Allowing users to collect sentences into lists according to level, topic or language would be very useful.
So, I think private lists are a very useful /idea/ but of course they will only be a useful /tool/ if they are also easy to use. With the vast number of sentences and growing userbase, it might be worth reconsidering how we organise the lists anyway.
Imagining a time when each language has a "... sentences in need of correction, confirmation from a native" category, and there is a category for various academic topic. Each user will however only use a handful of these. It might therefore be a useful feature for users to be able to browse the lists page and mark those of interest. These, along with the user's private lists would then be the only ones that appeared in the drop-down menu.
Actually, I just created a list and this is pretty much how it works. I guess I misunderstood you...
Now if we just get a way to see which lists a sentence is in and make it possible to modify which lists it's in from the sentence/browse views, then lists have all but achieved the features and ease of use as the favourites.
Except it is much more practical to be able to favorite a sentence in one click rather than having to select from a list (like Paul said)...
The thing is, right now, the "contributors" actions and the "users" actions are mixed together.
But there isn't a reason why we should have a the translate and adopt icon displayed everywhere.
The only reason why it is the case is because Tatoeba hasn't been adapted yet to make contributions more efficient for compulsive contributors.
So I think instead of trying to remove the favorite button, we should revamp the "Contribute" section, and have contributors go there whenever they want to translate and correct sentences. Once we have that, we can certainly remove the translate and adopt icons from anywhere else, without bothering anyone.
> Since favourites are just a list, how about merging
> that functionality into the lists?
Hmm, I like it like it is. Easy to add / remove sentences and you can always tell whether a sentence is a favourite or not without having to check a separate screen / list.
I think Swift wants to know what the reason of "Favourites" as they can be considered as a list, true ?
Bug notice.
Profile pages for usernames that contain underscores don't show up:
<http://tatoeba.org/eng/user/profile/ANH_DAO>
<http://tatoeba.org/eng/user/pro...etit_ane_gris>
<http://tatoeba.org/eng/user/profile/yuuri_wolfram>
It seems that the webpage request is passed to or processed by the lookup script with the underscores removed.
Bug notice.
When I add sentences on the Contribute page, the "Add to list" button doesn't work, unless I first orphan (and adopt it back, but this is not necessary) the sentence.
[not needed anymore- removed by CK]
It's not technically wrong not to translate the younger/elder brother part. Not specifying it is probably more natural in English. So, I don't see a special need to do this. Keep in mind that Japanese sentences could also be translation of the original English (I also tend to forget this), in which case the older/younger part would have to be invented by the translator.
I don't know Japanese, but in Chinese the same things happens as one can't say "this is my brother" without precising if he's older or younger.
So I agree with Scott, at least one can two translations, and in commets precise "this one is translated to stay closer to the original meaning" and "this one is a more natural way to say though some things are added/removed"
[not needed anymore- removed by CK]
anyway the problem occurs simply with "you" which can both translated by "tu" (one guy, not formal) "vous" (2nd plural person) and "vous" (2nd singular person but formal way) in French, and when I translate English sentences.
and anyway the chinese will appears as an indirect translations of the japanese sentences, so one should know that indirect translations are not to be trusted, they're just here to give you the "raw" meaning, in case and also to permit people to link them if they can be considered as "direct translations" rather than add a second time this translation
Just noticed that you had updated the blog. You wrote:
- Simplification of the registration process. We will get rid of the whole "validate your registration" step.
Aren't you worried that this will make spam easier?
> Aren't you worried that this will make spam easier?
I am, but it doesn't justify the current (somewhat) complicated registration process.
We will of course still make sure that users who register are human, but I think there are much better ways to handle spammers than forcing new users to validate their registration.
I've been seeing this message for three weeks, and only now I noticed there's an "of" missing (or a redundant "the"). :)
"WARNING: The language of some (of) the sentences you have added could not be detected."