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Sentence #428397

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Aleksej Aleksej 7 დეკემბერი, 2010 7 დეკემბერი, 2010, 16:02:01 UTC flag Report link Permalink

kio → Kio

Tamen ĉi tiu frazo jam enigitas ĉe http://tatoeba.org/epo/sentences/show/428397 kaj en aliaj lokoj.


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kroko kroko 10 დეკემბერი, 2010 10 დეკემბერი, 2010, 05:15:57 UTC flag Report link Permalink

Moderator/Admin: Double, (see Link above) please delete.
Bonvolu forigi. Bitte löschen!


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fs fs 7 თებერვალი, 2012 7 თებერვალი, 2012, 15:34:44 UTC flag Report link Permalink

(eo) En Esperanto venas spaceto antau demandosigno, ekkrisigno, dupunkto au punktokomo. Pri tio estis jam iom da komentarioj. Mi ree atentigas, ke pri tio la teksto de la Ekzercaro sur la pagharon de la Akademio estas malghusta.


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al_ex_an_der al_ex_an_der 7 თებერვალი, 2012 7 თებერვალი, 2012, 15:48:10 UTC flag Report link Permalink

Pri tiu propono bonvolu konvinki unue la Akademion.


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fs fs 7 თებერვალი, 2012 7 თებერვალი, 2012, 16:36:58 UTC flag Report link Permalink

(eo) Ne temas pri propono, sed pri konstato en la Fundamento. La Akademio venas nur en pli malalta rango. Oni relegu miajn antauajn komentariojn che "Tatoeba" pri tiu temo. Oni trovos interalie ligilon al la teksto de la Fundamento (ne utila por tiuj, kiuj povas kontroli per presita teksto).

Mi jhus retrovis la jenon :

"(eo) Responde al la jhusa komentario de "jakov" : Bedaurinde la teksto sur tiu pagharo, al kiu vi sendas, estas je tio intence kripligita, pro opinio de la prizorginto, ke tio ne tushas la lingvon mem. Oni devas kontroli en la presita libro au sur bildo farita lau tiu, eble tie : http://www.archive.org/stream/f.../n46/mode/2up.

Pri tio jam estis che "Tatoeba" iom da komentariado, interalie tie :
http://tatoeba.org/epo/sentence...#comment-41570 "


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sacredceltic sacredceltic 7 თებერვალი, 2012 7 თებერვალი, 2012, 16:47:07 UTC flag Report link Permalink

@fs

viaj ligiloj ne funkcias pro vi kopiis ilin el jam eldonitaj mesaĝoj (tio ne funkcias en Tatoeba). Ĉu vi bonvolu povas denove kopii ilin rekte el la fonto, mi petas ?

Dankegon.


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al_ex_an_der al_ex_an_der 7 თებერვალი, 2012 7 თებერვალი, 2012, 17:43:47 UTC flag Report link Permalink

Ĝuste en tiuj diskutoj komentantoj jam atentigis, ke la distanco inter la koncerna signo kaj la lasta litero antaŭ ĝi estas esence teknika demando kaj ne lingva.
Ekzistas liter-tiparoj kiuj metas pli da interspaco antaŭ frazosignon, aliaj malpli. En tiu lasta okazo povas ekesti la impreso, ke (ekzemple) krisigno estas preskaŭ algluita al la antaŭ vorto - kaj tio malplaĉas ankaŭ al mi. Sed ja temas pri elekto de taŭga tiparo.
Cetere en mia bretaro staras tiu verda libreto el la jaro 1905 nomata fundamento de Esperanto - kaj mi povas klare vidi, ke tie ne estas intermetitaj aldona malplena tuta! signokampo por krei ekstran interspacon.
Sed ja surprizas, ke estas tie rimarkeblaj diferencoj koncerne la distancon inter frazosigno kaj la lasta vorto de la frazo. Sur paĝo 57 estas la distanco - ne tre multe sed tamen rimarkeble - pli granda ol sur paĝo 56 kaj 79. Sur paĝo 56 videblas distanco agrabla en tiu senco, ke neniel povas ekesti la impreso, ke la demandosigno estas parto de la antaŭa vorto. Sur la aliaj nomitaj paĝoj okazas la malo (demandosigno tre proksima). Kaj en la paĝo 56 troveblas eĉ interne de unu frazo okulfrapa diferenco inter du distancoj vortofino-punktokomo. Ĉu la kompostisto de tiu libro eksperimentis per diversaj eblecoj diferencigi la distancon, aŭ ĉu la diversaj distancoj estas nur la rezulto de teknikaj mankoj aŭ fuŝoj, tion eltrovi estas certe nun malfacile aŭ tute ne ebla. Sed certa estas, ke tiu kompostisto estas delonge morta kaj ne helpos al vi aŭ mi. Se nuna bildigo de tekstoj en Tatoeba ne kontentigas, necesos demandi la respondeculojn pri tiuj teknikaj aranĝoj. Povas esti, ke facile troveblas pli kontentiga solvo. Tamen mi povas imagi, ankaŭ la eblecon, ke malgraŭvole oni ne povos kontentigi ĉiujn dezirojn, simple ĉar temas pri tiom da lingvoj, kaj tiom da diversaj skribosistemoj. Ĉiukaze indas provo.



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Vortarulo Vortarulo 7 თებერვალი, 2012 7 თებერვალი, 2012, 17:53:07 UTC flag Report link Permalink

Ankaŭ mi opinias la superfluan spaceton antaŭ la demando- kaj krisigno tre malbela kaj netipika por Esperanto.

Iam mi aŭdis, ke la Fundamento (aŭ eble iuj eldonoj de ĝi?) estis eldonita en Francio kaj tie envenis la spacosignoj,


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Vortarulo Vortarulo 7 თებერვალი, 2012 7 თებერვალი, 2012, 17:54:40 UTC flag Report link Permalink

(mi mispremis la butonon)

...pro la franca kutimo, ĉar la tipografi iel "korektis" la tekston. Sed mi ne scias, ĉu estas vera rakonto aŭ ne.


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sacredceltic sacredceltic 7 თებერვალი, 2012 7 თებერვალი, 2012, 17:57:32 UTC flag Report link Permalink

>Ankaŭ mi opinias la superfluan spaceton antaŭ la demando- kaj krisigno tre malbela

ĉar vi ne estas francano. Mi opinias tute male. Sen spacetojn, ! kaj ? povas vide esti konfuzita kun grandaj leteroj kiel l aŭ P, do por mi, la frazoj sen spacetojn estas nelegeblaj.


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Vortarulo Vortarulo 7 თებერვალი, 2012 7 თებერვალი, 2012, 18:16:03 UTC flag Report link Permalink

Ĝuste, ĝi ja dependas de la kutimo.

En la germana, angla, esperanta aŭ nederlanda lingvoj, mi ankoraŭ neniam konfuziĝis pro tia simileco. Sed la decido ja ne povos dependi sole de niaj kutimoj aŭ preferoj, se ekzistas fiksa regulo pri ĝi.


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sacredceltic sacredceltic 7 თებერვალი, 2012 7 თებერვალი, 2012, 18:19:57 UTC flag Report link Permalink

la reguloj estas la sekvaj:

La germanalingvofamiliolingvanoj provas timigi la aliajn fari kiel ili...
Nenio novas...


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sacredceltic sacredceltic 7 თებერვალი, 2012 7 თებერვალი, 2012, 18:29:38 UTC flag Report link Permalink

kaj por kontraŭdiri la komunajn mensogojn kiujn mi ofte legis ĉe Tatoeba pri tio, la franca ne estas la sola lingvo en kiu estas spacetojn en la tekstoj http://books.google.fr/books?id...=PR22&dq=dante


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al_ex_an_der al_ex_an_der 7 თებერვალი, 2012 7 თებერვალი, 2012, 18:33:01 UTC flag Report link Permalink

Ankoraŭ mi esperas,ke

Sur ĝentila homa fundamento,
respektante unu la alian,
ni refaros baldaŭ en konsento
unu grandan rondon familian.


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sacredceltic sacredceltic 7 თებერვალი, 2012 7 თებერვალი, 2012, 18:40:05 UTC flag Report link Permalink

>ni refaros baldaŭ en konsento
unu grandan rondon familian.

Do ne teruru la aliuloj uzante argumentoj kiel "ĉiuj faras tiel kaj vi solaj francanoj estas harfenduloj", ĉar tio tute ne imponas min !


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sacredceltic sacredceltic 7 თებერვალი, 2012 7 თებერვალი, 2012, 19:04:12 UTC flag Report link Permalink

kaj ankaŭ en la rumana http://books.google.fr/books?id...urnali%C5%9Fti


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sacredceltic sacredceltic 7 თებერვალი, 2012 7 თებერვალი, 2012, 19:11:11 UTC flag Report link Permalink

kaj ankaŭ en la hungara http://books.google.fr/books?id...ed=0CE8Q6AEwBg


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sacredceltic sacredceltic 7 თებერვალი, 2012 7 თებერვალი, 2012, 19:19:11 UTC flag Report link Permalink

kaj eĉ angla originalaj eldonoj de Dickens mem !!! http://books.google.fr/books?id...PA2&dq=dickens


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sacredceltic sacredceltic 7 თებერვალი, 2012 7 თებერვალი, 2012, 19:28:37 UTC flag Report link Permalink

kaj eĉ en la germana en la Deutsches Wörterbuch de Grimm !!! Deutsches Wörterbuch

Nekredeble !

Se mi ankoraŭ legas ke la spacetoj estas francaj kapricoj, mi hojlas !


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sacredceltic sacredceltic 7 თებერვალი, 2012 7 თებერვალი, 2012, 19:28:52 UTC flag Report link Permalink

http://books.google.fr/books?id...ed=0CDsQ6AEwAg


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sacredceltic sacredceltic 11 სექტემბერი, 2014 11 სექტემბერი, 2014, 21:28:51 UTC flag Report link Permalink

Bonvolu vidi supre...


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sacredceltic sacredceltic 22 ნოემბერი, 2014 22 ნოემბერი, 2014, 18:18:42 UTC flag Report link Permalink

ne


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Horus Horus 20 იანვარი, 2015 20 იანვარი, 2015, 00:24:56 UTC flag Report link Permalink

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PaulP PaulP 4 მაისი, 2017 4 მაისი, 2017, 07:25:46 UTC flag Report link Permalink

Kara verdakoro,

Bonvenon al Tatoeba!

Antaŭ ol aldoni pliajn frazojn, mi konsilas la vi legi la regularon de Tatoeba. Ligilon al ĝi vi trovas supre de tiu ĉi paĝo.

Mi kopias por vi eron 6 el la regularo:

N'ajoutez pas d'annotations dans les phrases. Ne mettez pas ce genre de choses dans les phrases :

Il/elle (comme dans Il/elle a dit qu'il faisait chaud.)
Faites plutôt deux phrases :
Il a dit qu'il faisait chaud.
Elle a dit qu'il faisait chaud.
(Coluche) (comme dans Je suis capable du meilleur et du pire, mais c'est dans le pire que je suis le meilleur. (Coluche))
Mettez plutôt ça dans un commentaire et demandez à ce que ce soit ajouté en tant qu'étiquette (ou faites-le vous-même si vous avez le droit d'étiquetter).




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PaulP PaulP 18 მაისი, 2017 18 მაისი, 2017, 11:56:20 UTC flag Report link Permalink

Post du semajnoj sen reago mi realigis la proponitan ŝanĝon.


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