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boracasli boracasli September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 8:28:27 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

I don't use this Wall,
Please a chat excludes freenode.

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boracasli boracasli September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 8:28:55 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Or I won't and don't use wall as chatroom.

a_mastan2002 a_mastan2002 September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 8:24:29 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

We need to make sure you are human.
What are the five first letters of your email?

rafieyan rafieyan September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 6:32:53 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

hi,
I am here to learn

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Pharamp Pharamp September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 6:44:55 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

welcome :D

boracasli boracasli September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 12:00:46 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/509316
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/509317

please tag them as lithuanian

really no gtranslate 100% my translate
only two lithuanian sentences in my brain.

boracasli boracasli September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 10:07:17 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/508252
please the first letter must be capital
and change the flag to English

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Pharamp Pharamp September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 11:54:36 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

We MUST wait TWO weeks before edit anything.

The wall isn't a webchat, stop to write things anywhere.

Demetrius Demetrius September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 9:57:22 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

@sysko:
What have you done to the Uzbek transliteration?

Хитойға қарағанда, Швейцария бир тарк этилган қишлоқ бўлади.
Xitoyg'a qarag'anda, SHvyeyтсariya bir tark etilgan qishloq bo'ladi.
(Ш → SH, not Sh; е → ye in the middle of words, тс is not converted into ц, apostrophe is typographically incorrect: ' is used to separate s'h, ‘ is used in g‘ and o‘)
And it should be:
Xitoyg‘a qarag‘anda, Shveysariya bir tark etilgan qishloq bo‘ladi.

And the script I’ve sent you (test it at http://uyghur.webatu.com/uzb/ ) DOES IT CORRECTLY. :angry:

You haven’t “optimized” it by removing the Cyr→Lat array and using the only one array, have you? >:E

boracasli boracasli September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 9:09:32 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/508783
delete this word! Because this is not sentence

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Demetrius Demetrius September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 9:44:07 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

It will be deleted, thank you.

boracasli boracasli September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 12:18:59 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Please thank me for turkish contributions

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ChickenKiev ChickenKiev September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 7:33:12 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Man, are you really 12 year old (based on your profile)?

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boracasli boracasli September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 9:15:18 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Yes, I'm 13 years old.

boracasli boracasli September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 12:19:09 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

but not other

blay_paul blay_paul September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 4:52:05 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Thank you for the Turkish translations and example sentences you have added to Tatoeba.

ChickenKiev ChickenKiev September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 5:02:46 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Boracasli, you are a strange cookie. ;=)

FeuDRenais FeuDRenais September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 6:30:55 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Hah! Too funny...

Demetrius Demetrius September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 9:37:56 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Thank you.


...But only thanks for thousands (1000, 2000) are written in “What’s new”, not for 1500...

Scott Scott September 11, 2010 September 11, 2010 at 3:07:30 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Tags

I haven't followed all of the discussions around tags but I thought I would throw some of my ideas on how to improve tagging.

1) tag translation

Right now, it seems that the preferred way of doing things is to use English tags as opposed to translated tags. We thus have some tags such as "Canadian French" which is about as awkward as if we had tags named "Anglais britannique" and "Anglais américain". Unilingual tagging will prevent Tatoeba from being truly multilingual as it makes English a required language for tagging purposes.

The best solution would be, as for everything else on Tatoeba, to have tag translations. They could be handled by an interface similar to the sentences and be freely translatable by anyone.

2) special tags

Given their popularity, I think that a few tags could be given special status and be treated separately:

a) proverb, aphorism, saying, quote tags.
proverb is one of the most popular tag, quote is another one.

b) source tags. Create a special tag/input field. When something is identified as a quote, this special field would be used to enter the source. Source tags are some of the most popular tags and right now they're quite a mess. Some use "by-", some don'; some use the translated name of the author, some use the English name. As an option, you could add a second field to identify the translator. This would be useful when quoting say, a translation of Plato.

c) date tag: Add a special field for sentences identified as a quote to allow the user to input the approximate year that the quoted work was published in. This would be useful, both for users and for administrators who want to keep track of copyright issues. I've seen some users, such as Paul, append the date as a comment and there have been some debates that might have been settled by the use of a date tag.

d) Male and Female tags: very popular

e) Certain administrative tags: Delete required, Check by native speaker required, change required. Very popular tags currently. It would be simpler to have official tags for these.

f) Length of sentence: More of a neat feature, but sentences could be automatically classified by Tatoeba as "short" "medium" "long" or "extra-long".

g) XXX, offensive, PG13 tags: There should be special tags to handle these type of sentences. Tatoeba could then automatically exclude these sentences from searches/front page, so that a new user does not stumble upon them unless he explicitly chooses to turn off the "safe Tatoeba" feature.

h) Dialect/regional language tags: There could be a special field to indicate if a sentence is British English/Marne region French, etc. This is another popular tag.

i) Formality: A mildly popular tag but the subject of some recent discussions (e.g. about barbecues). It would be logical to be able to indicate whether a sentence is Formal, Familiar, etc. Honorable/Humble tags could also be added here or perhaps as a separate field

j) Archaic, old-fashioned, neologism, modern slang: tags to indicate how modern/archaic a sentence is. Again, a popular tag and it would not overlap with the date feature, as sentences can be old-fashioned yet written recently.

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sysko sysko September 11, 2010 September 11, 2010 at 4:08:22 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

for tag translations, for the moment it's in English, because we don't have the translation system that will require, nor the time to implement it, so for the moment to avoid duplicate tags which only differs by language, it's better to choose english, as it's the language spoken by the majority of trusted users (the only ones who can tag yet)

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sacredceltic sacredceltic September 11, 2010 September 11, 2010 at 11:22:01 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Isn't the issue the very opposite ?
Most trusted-users are English-speaking because Tatoeba is in English ?!

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sysko sysko September 11, 2010 September 11, 2010 at 11:28:27 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

It's because me and Trang speak fluently French and English, and most people speak English than French, because anyway tatoeba has always been in at least both this languages, and we always answered in French to people who posted in French.
But I agree this is something we should change, to enlarge the bases of trusted users / moderator. For this I think I will enlarge the wall system to several one, maybe one dedicated per language (it's still an idea), this way people will not feel "oppressed" by the fact most of messages on this wall(99%?) are in English.

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sacredceltic sacredceltic September 11, 2010 September 11, 2010 at 11:42:00 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

"most people speak English than French" => C'est la chose la plus extravagante que j'ai jamais lu sur ce mur, sysko : 6 milliard d'êtres humains ne parlent ni français ni anglais ! Et évidemment, avec des principes pareils, ils ne risquent pas de venir...

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Pharamp Pharamp September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 12:11:23 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li...ative_speakers

English: Might have as many as 1.8 billion speakers.
French: More than 200 million total both native and second language.

With 6.801.400.000 people in the world, Tatoeba leaves alone more than 4.801.400.000 of them.

But we can't forget that we have trusted_users and moderators who can cover in a proficient way users who speak:

Mandarin (1,151 million)
Spanish (more than 500 million)
Russian (277 million)
Hindi (just Standard Hindi, 258 million)
Arabic (246 million)
Portuguese (240 million)
German (~180.000.000)
Japanese (132 million)
Wu (~80,000,000)
Italian (~61,000,000)
Ukrainian (~45.000.000)
Dutch (25 million)
Icelandic (310,000)

Is it enough?

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sacredceltic sacredceltic September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 12:31:00 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

1.8 billion is the number of people in the countries where English is an official language. It does in no way represent the number of English-speakers in these countries. India, for example, has 1.2 billion of these so-called "English speakers", except only 2 to 3% of the indian population actually do speak English. Most speak Hindi and Urdu and more often, one of the other 400 languages of the subcontinent. So most of the time, they are trilingual without even counting English...
So this number is just extravagant.
All serious references account bu less than a third of this number, ie between 450 and 550 million speakers.

sysko sysko September 11, 2010 September 11, 2010 at 11:53:33 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

tu m'as mal compris

trang et moi parlons français et anglais, donc malheureusement nous n'avons pu dans un premier temps que fournir le site à des francophones, et des anglophones. Partant de cela, les premiers contributeurs / utilisateurs n'ont pu être que des francophones ou anglophones. Et ces derniers étant plus nombreux, il y a rapidement eu plus d'anglophones, qui ont attiré d'autres anglophones etc.

Bien sur que si je parlais 50 langues, nous aurions mis tatoeba dans ces 50 langues. Mais comme tu vois, Trang et moi ne sommes pas sectaire, et c'est avec grand plaisir, que nous avons ouvert la possibilité au utilisateurs, voulant étendre l'accessibilité du site à des non francophones et non anglophones (justement en pensant à ces 6 milliards de personne, ou au simple fait qu'il est toujours plus agréable de pouvoir avoir une interface dans sa langue natale, surtout pour un site qui propose du contenu multilingue) de traduire le site en lui même.

donc j'avoue ne pas avoir ou nous avons des principes qui repousseraient l'adoption de tatoeba par des non anglophones, francophones ? Mis à part que par la force des choses, Trang et moi ne pouvons produire l'interface qu'en anglais/français dans un premier temps, et devons relayer le travail à la communauté pour la traduction.

blay_paul blay_paul September 11, 2010 September 11, 2010 at 11:34:59 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

> For this I think I will enlarge the wall system to
> several one, maybe one dedicated per language (it's
> still an idea), this way people will not feel
> "oppressed" by the fact most of messages on this
> wall(99%?) are in English.

Meh, I think that would just needlessly complicate things. I don't feel 'oppressed' when there's a wall thread all in French or something. And there are more comments not in English than there are in English nowadays.

saeb saeb September 11, 2010 September 11, 2010 at 11:25:02 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

you mean the interface? it's in 9 other languages^^

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sacredceltic sacredceltic September 11, 2010 September 11, 2010 at 11:29:01 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Yeah, sure, and so are you !

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saeb saeb September 11, 2010 September 11, 2010 at 11:33:43 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

I wish^^, but we've got active contributors in at least 9 languages and I'm sure they would be happy to answer new user's questions in their respective languages...either in comments or on the wall...I know I would/already do :)

blay_paul blay_paul September 11, 2010 September 11, 2010 at 4:02:50 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Well, I'm impressed. I agree with pretty much everything you've said - you must have read my mind.

sysko sysko September 11, 2010 September 11, 2010 at 4:06:13 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

in fact for some of them, it must no be tags, some other kind of meta informations. (tags are part of them)

Demetrius Demetrius September 11, 2010 September 11, 2010 at 9:07:28 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink


> XXX, offensive, PG13 tags
IMHO not only PG13, but PG<anything>.
Also, I believe there should be a way to tag a sentence when adding it (or at least a checkbox ‘This sentence is offensive’); otherwise, sentences will still appear on the main page even if the filter is added, because it takes time (especially with my slow connection ^^) to tag the sentence as a rude one.

boracasli boracasli September 11, 2010 September 11, 2010 at 9:02:39 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentence...06033#comments
Please - set as "Esperanto"