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shekitten shekitten June 21, 2023 June 21, 2023 at 2:04:47 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

With Japanese, has anyone brought up making it possible to select the hiragana transcriptions of kanji with the mouse?

This would be very helpful to people who haven't mastered hiragana, like myself. Thanks!

(If most people can select them and this is on my end, please let me know.)

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Cabo Cabo June 21, 2023, edited June 21, 2023 June 21, 2023 at 3:33:50 PM UTC, edited June 21, 2023 at 3:37:56 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

I advise you getting an add-on for Japanese, much better than trying to copy hiragana or copy the Japanese word to jisho.org and get the hiragana from there.

And what more, here you always have to click on every sentence to see the transcriptions. That's slow, and in the long run nerve wracking.
Work smart, not hard.

User55521 User55521 June 25, 2023, edited June 25, 2023 June 25, 2023 at 1:19:00 AM UTC, edited June 25, 2023 at 1:26:22 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

A simple way would be to install Stylus extension for Firefox or Chome and add the following user style for tatoeba.org domain:

rt { user-select: auto; }

(That would be the entirety of the user style, just this line)

After this you'll be able to select and copy the hiragana for one separate word. (It only works on separate words, not sentences. If you copy the sentence, kanji will be copied.)

(Stylus is an extension that allows to add custom CSS on certain pages, to change their appearance or sometimes to make them more accessible. It was created as a safe and privacy-respecting version of another extension with similar functionality.

Stylus for Firefox can be downloaded here: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-U...addon/styl-us/
Stylus for Chrome is available here: https://chrome.google.com/webst...kjfobafhncgmne )

Cabo Cabo June 21, 2023 June 21, 2023 at 3:41:44 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

What is the character or word limit of a comment under a sentence?

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CK CK June 21, 2023, edited June 22, 2023 June 21, 2023 at 11:46:17 PM UTC, edited June 22, 2023 at 2:02:37 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

I've never heard anyone complain about not being able to write a comment because of a character limit.

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mraz mraz June 22, 2023 June 22, 2023 at 9:07:56 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

: ))

marafon marafon June 22, 2023 June 22, 2023 at 9:12:33 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

I guess Cabo means some comments are way too long.

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Cabo Cabo June 22, 2023, edited June 22, 2023 June 22, 2023 at 9:24:36 AM UTC, edited June 22, 2023 at 9:27:28 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

A bit, a bit too long, yes, and I can't just click on one comment and move to the next with the arrow key, I have to scroll, and if I see a long one, I have to scroll fast. If between those long comments lie a smaller one I probably miss it, and you, too.

And I have to ask: why is it so important posting ten pages of a dictionary under a bunch of sentences?

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marafon marafon June 22, 2023 June 22, 2023 at 9:27:53 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

I agree.

CK CK June 10, 2023 June 10, 2023 at 5:51:02 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

🍎 There are almost 100,000 English sentences with audio that are not yet translated into any language.

https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...filter=exclude 99,527 sentences

Many of these are my sentences.

If, for some reason, you would prefer to avoid my sentences, you can focus on just one member's sentences at a time.

Here are links to several of the native English speakers who have over 100 untranslated sentences that also have audio

https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...de&user=Hybrid 1,327

https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...de&user=ddnktr 701

https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...user=shekitten 301

The following are mine.

https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...xclude&user=CK 86,700

https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...xclude&user=CM 7,538

All of the above links will give random selections.

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Seael Seael June 10, 2023 June 10, 2023 at 12:51:13 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Thanks, CK!

Now the number is a little smaller than 99,527!
99,469 ;D

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Cabo Cabo June 10, 2023 June 10, 2023 at 12:52:42 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

99459*

Seael Seael June 10, 2023, edited June 10, 2023 June 10, 2023 at 2:10:44 PM UTC, edited June 10, 2023 at 4:07:42 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Some equivalent links to the rest of languages here containing more than 1000 audio files ordered from the ones requiring the most translations to the ones requiring the least. Actually, I'm gonna translate the only Latin one ( #5037427 ) straight away! ;D

Spanish: https://tatoeba.org/es/sentence...rand_seed=U_ZL 6,400

Japanese: https://tatoeba.org/es/sentence...rand_seed=cVKI 3,461

Kabyle: https://tatoeba.org/es/sentence...rand_seed=cVKI 290

German: https://tatoeba.org/es/sentence...rand_seed=U_eL 251

Portuguese: https://tatoeba.org/es/sentence...rand_seed=cVKI 137

Russian: https://tatoeba.org/es/sentence...rand_seed=U_eL 55!!!

Hungarian: https://tatoeba.org/es/sentence...rand_seed=U_eL 15!!!

Polish: https://tatoeba.org/es/sentence...rand_seed=cVKI 7!!!

French: https://tatoeba.org/es/sentence...rand_seed=U_eL Only 6!!!

Dutch: https://tatoeba.org/es/sentence...rand_seed=cVKI 6!!!

Esperanto: https://tatoeba.org/es/sentence...rand_seed=cVKI 3!!!

Wu: https://tatoeba.org/es/sentence...rand_seed=cVKI 2!!!

Berber: https://tatoeba.org/es/sentence...rand_seed=cVKI 1!!!

Latin: https://tatoeba.org/es/sentence...rand_seed=cVKI 1!

CK CK June 18, 2023 June 18, 2023 at 1:10:02 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Happy Father's Day!

Here are 10 selected, proofread English sentences with "Father's Day."

https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...her%27s+Day%22

A number of these have audio.

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Thanuir Thanuir June 18, 2023 June 18, 2023 at 8:13:54 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Huomaa että isänpäivän päivämäärä vaihtelee maasta toiseen.

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PaulP PaulP June 19, 2023 June 19, 2023 at 5:24:30 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

> Huomaa että isänpäivän päivämäärä vaihtelee maasta toiseen.

Ook bij ons was vaderdag al een tijdje geleden.

Verna0072001 Verna0072001 June 13, 2023 June 13, 2023 at 12:03:44 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

There's no Chinese of Taiwan option. In Taiwan they use traditional Chinese characters. It was about 100 years ago before Chinese in mainland changed. Now Taiwanese use traditional Chinese still. Not just writing differently and the phrase they use are different as well. For example the computer in mainland China is 計算机 but it's calculator in Taiwan. And in Taiwan computer is 電腦

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User55521 User55521 June 14, 2023, edited June 14, 2023 June 14, 2023 at 9:59:54 AM UTC, edited June 14, 2023 at 10:01:05 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

This is same for British and American English: in Britain "pants" is underwear and "chips" is parallelepipeds-shaped food, in America "pants" means trousers and "chips" means crisps; but both will be lumped under same language in Tatoeba.

Basically if you add a sentence with 計算机, it can have both translations: as 'computer' and as 'calculator'.

Same as in English: if you add sentence with "pants", it can have both translations.

As for the characters, you can add sentences in both scripts. This is true for other languages using different scripts (e.g. Serbian). For Chinese, Tatoeba has automatic conversion: you can write in any language, and it will be converted into other variant. (The conversion is handled by https://github.com/allan-simon/sinoparserd software)

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Verna0072001 Verna0072001 June 15, 2023, edited June 15, 2023 June 15, 2023 at 7:43:59 AM UTC, edited June 15, 2023 at 7:45:05 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

@impersonator. Thanks for the way you described. I might not introduce it properly. In simplified Chinese and traditional Chinese, they are not just the phrase differently. The writing is different too. For me, even I understand the most of simplified Chinese but there's few words that I still don't understand. Some of my friends they don't know any simplified Chinese characters even they are traditional Chinese native speaker. If the native speaker they can't understand simplified Chinese, let alone the foreigners who learn the Chinese.

I just suggested that language if some rare languages are listed on the dictionary. I don't think there's problem with the language which 23 million population use.

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User55521 User55521 June 15, 2023 June 15, 2023 at 9:07:09 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

> they are not just the phrase differently. The writing is different too.

Yes, but there are other languages are written with different writing, too:
E.g. Serbian: [#11724391] [#11721206]
Or Uzbek: [#11767896] [#9642948]
Or Tatar: [#8086824] [#11832281]

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Tatoeba uses ISO 639-3 codes to determine if a language is a separate language or not, which is an international standard.

The problem is: ISO is an international organisation that includes China (Standardization Administration of China is a member of ISO), but not Taiwan. So... The standards issued by ISO will be biased towards Chinese point of view, and will not represent Taiwanese point of view. :(

deniko deniko June 16, 2023 June 16, 2023 at 9:26:39 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

> "chips" is parallelepipeds-shaped food

That description gave me a good chuckle! Thanks for that.

It brings back memories of my high school days when we would casually throw around words like "rectangular parallelepiped" to describe things and try and keep a straight face.

gillux gillux June 15, 2023, edited June 15, 2023 June 15, 2023 at 6:25:15 AM UTC, edited June 15, 2023 at 6:31:54 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

歡迎來Tatoeba。很抱歉讓你覺得這裡沒有辦法使用台灣的中文。你可以使用Mandarin Chinese這種語言加台灣中文的例句。而且,不管輸入簡體字還是繁體字,Tatoeba都會自動地把你寫的字寫成另外字體,讓大家看得懂也找得到你的中文。

至於像電腦有各種的說法那樣的生詞,你可以使用台灣的也沒關係。其實,你應該使用對你來說最道地,最自然的中文寫例句。這樣對學中文的人才有幫助。沒有台灣中文獨立的語言是因為中文雖然在不同的地方有些不一樣的說法,但是大部分是一樣,所以比較現實放在一起。

希望你了解我說的話,也希望你可以多加一些台灣中文的例句。

CK CK June 12, 2023 June 12, 2023 at 5:47:38 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

🍎 Longish English Sentences with Audio

Perhaps some of you don't know about this list of sentences from Common Voice.

https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...170403/und/und

Many of these do not yet have any translations.

Not all of these are longer sentences, but many are.

June 12, 2023 June 12, 2023 at 4:52:26 AM UTC link Permalink
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Gabe_the_cat Gabe_the_cat June 6, 2023, edited June 6, 2023 June 6, 2023 at 3:46:35 PM UTC, edited June 6, 2023 at 3:47:49 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Anyone knows a way to learn a language apart from Apps & websites?

I normally learn through apps such as DROPS or Duolingo, and websites such as Wikibooks and Wikiversity. But they don't have all of the languages from Tatoeba (ex.: Sumerian), so, where can i learn all languages?

(If in Tatoeba there is a language learning service, then that's great, i will go & use it)

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Thanuir Thanuir June 6, 2023 June 6, 2023 at 4:28:58 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Traditionally people have:

1. Talked with other people.
2. Used textbooks.
3. Taken courses at various country-dependent institutes, like schools and universities.

With a dead language, your best bet is to check universities that teach linguistics, ancient cultures or maybe theology.

Cabo Cabo June 6, 2023, edited June 6, 2023 June 6, 2023 at 6:14:03 PM UTC, edited June 6, 2023 at 7:11:45 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Drops and duolingo are just for basic, memrise has some simple courses, too, clozemaster unfortunately is high priced, but then you can still use chatgpt free, and it can create some stories in different languages (maybe not familiar with sumerian, probably don't speak tamazight either), what can be first a better alternative to lingQ, but if you want to do a lot of similar reading in different languages, you won't mind lingQ, then you can find some tales, simple language materials in listening book form with text on youtube or on other sites, then you can find some language exchange partners around the world, there are some free sites, some are a bit mixed-up with 'I cry for have a partner' and 'I genuinely want to learn languages'. Then you have some sites where you can download language books as pdfs. And finally, you can travel abroad and try to learn the language that way.

Sumerian? really? it has nice characters, but you can't really learn that anywhere, just some specific places in university level surroundings
If you in love with the characters, just check out some asian languages, or middle eastern, maybe learn the runic alphabet for fun

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Gabe_the_cat Gabe_the_cat June 10, 2023, edited June 10, 2023 June 10, 2023 at 8:50:37 PM UTC, edited June 10, 2023 at 8:52:45 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

So, if I heard it right, if I ever wanted to learn sumerian, I would need to go to an academy? Like a high level one?

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Cabo Cabo June 10, 2023, edited June 10, 2023 June 10, 2023 at 9:05:08 PM UTC, edited June 10, 2023 at 9:11:37 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

You can try to find something on the net, but sure the information is scarce, what is more worrisome, is that the informations probably not as high standard, not so legit you think.

You can try languages for fun, yes, but better connecting the good with the useful.
Immersing yourself in Sumerian maybe useful if you want to be an archeologist.

shekitten shekitten June 11, 2023, edited June 11, 2023 June 11, 2023 at 3:05:29 PM UTC, edited June 11, 2023 at 3:06:01 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

If I wanted to learn Sumerian I would download a textbook or two, work my way through it, and also find *university* resources on the language, such as dictionaries and grammars hosted by universities. For a lot of dead languages, universities and university-quality scholarly websites host a ton of resources. Sumerian will be more sparse than Latin or Greek, maybe even than Old English, but I can't imagine there are no good free resources hosted by universities.

I would try to translate things from Sumerian that have already been translated, and compare my results.

This would not give me an academic degree in Sumerian, nor the equivalent, but sometimes you have to do the next best thing.

sharptoothed sharptoothed June 11, 2023 June 11, 2023 at 8:24:57 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

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deniko deniko June 6, 2023 June 6, 2023 at 8:20:12 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

There was a discussion where someone pointed out that shekitten had suspended her account, to which I replied:

"I don't think you can suspend your own account. That was probably done by the admins for some reason."

My message, as well as the original poster's message, was hidden with the following note:

"The content of this message goes against our rules and was therefore hidden. It is displayed only to admins and to the author of the message."

The thread itself:

https://tatoeba.org/en/wall/sho...#message_39897

I can't really see other messages in this thread now, that's why I can quote only my post.

I re-read the rules, and I don't quite understand what rules were the messages against. Is it possible to get some explanation, please?

shekitten is a quality contributor, can she be unsuspended?

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PaulP PaulP June 6, 2023 June 6, 2023 at 12:07:45 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Also in my humble opinion Shekitten is a quality contributor. I never noticed the slightest reason to ban her.

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Cabo Cabo June 6, 2023, edited June 6, 2023 June 6, 2023 at 1:19:43 PM UTC, edited June 6, 2023 at 1:20:23 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Shekitten has some quite extremist sentences. I don't know who banned 'them' and who can ban wall messages. It's a bit upsetting seeing a whole thread banned.
Still, if shekitten did nothing wrong, will be unbanned.

Pfirsichbaeumchen Pfirsichbaeumchen June 6, 2023, edited June 6, 2023 June 6, 2023 at 9:08:44 PM UTC, edited June 6, 2023 at 9:40:57 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

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small_snow small_snow June 7, 2023, edited June 7, 2023 June 7, 2023 at 1:10:31 AM UTC, edited June 7, 2023 at 1:10:47 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Oops. Is she suspended? I don't know what happened, but I miss her. I wonder how long will her suspension last. How can she come back?

I left a comment because I hope she will come back soon. Thank you.

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mhr mhr June 7, 2023 June 7, 2023 at 5:38:11 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

I hope so, too.

shekitten shekitten June 7, 2023 June 7, 2023 at 6:47:36 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

I'm unsuspended. At some point I may explain the series of misunderstandings on my part that led to this, but for now I'm just really touched by all the support I've received in the last few days and glad to be back.

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ZegPhig ZegPhig June 7, 2023 June 7, 2023 at 9:44:10 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Welcome back!

small_snow small_snow June 7, 2023, edited June 7, 2023 June 7, 2023 at 9:56:29 PM UTC, edited June 7, 2023 at 10:51:03 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

@shekitten, I'm glad to hear good news, too. Welcome back!

Seael Seael June 8, 2023 June 8, 2023 at 11:16:44 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

:o

I didn't know you had been suspended and I don't know what the reason for it might have been, shekitten, but I'm certainly happy you're back!