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farhad1982 farhad1982 September 13, 2010 at 12:48 PM September 13, 2010 at 12:48 PM link Permalink

سلام به سازنده گان این سایت و از طریق این سایت سلام به برنامه کلیک تلویزیون فارسی بی بی سی و سلام به همه دوستان،
امروز روز اول است که به این سایت پیوسته ام و آرزو می کنم تا به آخر با آن باشم، در رابطه به برنامه های این سایت بعداً باید قضاوت کرد و فعلا برای همه سلامتی آرزو می کنم.
با سپاس
فرهاد

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mahdiye mahdiye September 15, 2010 at 8:29 AM September 15, 2010 at 8:29 AM link Permalink

سازندگان این سایت فارسی زبان نیستن و فارسی نمی دونن!
برای استفاده درست از این سایت به هلپ،پایین صفحه مراجعه کنید.
زنده باد زبان فارسی
مرسی

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Demetrius Demetrius September 15, 2010 at 9:48 AM September 15, 2010 at 9:48 AM link Permalink

زنده باد زبان فارسی
:)

Can you add this as a sentence please? :)

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mahdiye mahdiye September 15, 2010 at 10:45 AM September 15, 2010 at 10:45 AM link Permalink

it doesn't necessary!
you block me when i speak some patriotic talks!

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Demetrius Demetrius September 15, 2010 at 11:01 AM September 15, 2010 at 11:01 AM link Permalink

=))

We don't. :) On the wall, there may be discussion. But if it's a sentence, it's 100% OK.

We need different sentences! ^^

And we do have patriotic sentences. :)

See:
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/467460
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/485186

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mahdiye mahdiye September 15, 2010 at 11:10 AM September 15, 2010 at 11:10 AM link Permalink

ok,mercy!
can you explain me how this site helps program developer?

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Demetrius Demetrius September 15, 2010 at 11:39 AM September 15, 2010 at 11:39 AM link Permalink

But is useful for natural language processing:
a) automatic translators,
b) sentence classification

Tatoeba is a text corpus. Programmers can write an algorithm, but they need a text corpus to make it work.



For example, in Tatoeba bad sentences have tags "rude", "offensive", "XXX".

Using a simple alghorithm[1] and Tatoeba sentences, anyone can write a program that can look at any sentence in the same language and say: "It's rude" or "It's not rude". It then can be used, for example, to hide some text from children.

Or, for example, it's possible to create a program that detects a language using Tatoeba data.

Or check whether the text is optimistic or pessimistic.

Or even to create automatic translators. (But for these, a lot of text is neccessary. For many language we have too few sentences for this... now :))

And many other things... Practically all programs working with language need a text corpus!


Tatoeba is not the only corpus, there are many of them. But Tatoeba is better because:
* It's free,
* It's multilingual (usually corpora support only 1 language, or 2, not more)


[1] For example, you can use a naive Bayesian classifier for this.

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mahdiye mahdiye September 15, 2010 at 12:04 PM September 15, 2010 at 12:04 PM link Permalink

i think i should do search more about this!

mahdiye mahdiye September 15, 2010 at 11:59 AM September 15, 2010 at 11:59 AM link Permalink

Thank you very much for explanation!^^

blay_paul blay_paul September 14, 2010 at 8:50 PM September 14, 2010 at 8:50 PM link Permalink

Sentences with invalid characters.

475414 (CycL)
475415 (CycL)
475416 (CycL)
475417 (CycL)
475435 (CycL)
475436 (CycL)
476620 (Eng)

Sentences that were blank (but present) in the last sentences.csv output.

489979
489982
495841
496208
502451
502498
502808

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blay_paul blay_paul September 14, 2010 at 9:09 PM September 14, 2010 at 9:09 PM link Permalink

Please run the Duplicate Removal script as well. There are, literally, thousands of duplicates at the moment.

gracehero gracehero September 14, 2010 at 6:28 AM September 14, 2010 at 6:28 AM link Permalink

At first login, after registered as new user, the Last login date shows as 1970-09-01.

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boracasli boracasli September 14, 2010 at 8:02 AM September 14, 2010 at 8:02 AM link Permalink

This is the beginning date for Unix time.

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gracehero gracehero September 14, 2010 at 8:09 AM September 14, 2010 at 8:09 AM link Permalink

Yes, I know it. May be it should be hidden at first time.

contour contour September 12, 2010 at 4:57 AM September 12, 2010 at 4:57 AM link Permalink

I'm having trouble adding translations with Opera (10.62).
When I press "Submit translation", the wheel just spins forever and nothing happens.
It works fine from Firefox.

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contour contour September 14, 2010 at 12:49 AM September 14, 2010 at 12:49 AM link Permalink

It seems that get_tatoeba_root_url() returns "http://tatoeba.org:/eng", and Opera doesn't like having the colon without a port number.

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sysko sysko September 14, 2010 at 3:00 AM September 14, 2010 at 3:00 AM link Permalink

what about now ? :)

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contour contour September 16, 2010 at 8:10 PM September 16, 2010 at 8:10 PM link Permalink

Any chance of getting this fixed? Switching to Firefox for anything that uses AJAX is a bit annoying.

It would work if get_tatoeba_root_url() in generic_functions.js returned "http://tatoeba.org/eng" instead of "http://tatoeba.org:/eng"

It should be fairly simple, but I could make a patch if required.

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sysko sysko September 16, 2010 at 9:07 PM September 16, 2010 at 9:07 PM link Permalink

there a chance, but these week I'm following a formation, I need to prepare my trip to China where I will be a campus director, so it's a lot of stuff to deal with, so unfortunately.
But as soon as I have some free time, I will try to fix it.

For the patch, yep if you can make it, I will only take 2 seconds for me to integrate it, so it's maybe the best solution, as I have no Opera on my computers.

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contour contour September 17, 2010 at 2:52 AM September 17, 2010 at 2:52 AM link Permalink

Then please change these lines when you get the time, and good luck with your training. :)

--- a/generic_functions.js 2010-09-17 02:25:04.000000000 +0200
+++ b/generic_functions.js 2010-09-17 02:22:08.000000000 +0200
@@ -25,9 +25,8 @@
}

function get_tatoeba_root_url() {
- var hostname = self.location.hostname;
- var port = self.location.port;
+ var host = self.location.host;
var interfaceLang = get_language_interface_from_url();

- return "http://" + hostname + ":" + port + "/"+ interfaceLang;
+ return "http://" + host + "/"+ interfaceLang;
}

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sysko sysko September 17, 2010 at 11:50 AM September 17, 2010 at 11:50 AM link Permalink

ok, I've done it. thanks

contour contour September 14, 2010 at 7:19 AM September 14, 2010 at 7:19 AM link Permalink

I cleared my cache and tried again, but I'm afraid I don't see any difference.

blay_paul blay_paul September 12, 2010 at 11:28 PM September 12, 2010 at 11:28 PM link Permalink

Oh, and here's the BESTEST DISCLAIMER EVAR!

直メッ娘CLUB
A CHOKUMEKKO club will not be made to write your life which should be used if it meets the girls who will be recommendation if you mail friends with uncanny girls.

Thank you CHOKUMEKKO club, I shall mail friends uncanny girls with care.

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Scott Scott September 13, 2010 at 5:23 PM September 13, 2010 at 5:23 PM link Permalink

Beware about using that site Paul, the first google hit is: 直メッ娘CLUBは悪質出会い系?

And for more broken English: http://www.engrish.com

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blay_paul blay_paul September 13, 2010 at 6:26 PM September 13, 2010 at 6:26 PM link Permalink

> Beware about using that site Paul

Just in case you're being serious.
1. Well, duh.
2. I'm about 9,600km away from Japan so it's not too likely I'll be tempted.

Demetrius Demetrius September 13, 2010 at 12:20 AM September 13, 2010 at 12:20 AM link Permalink

What the?..

What is it supposed to mean?

saeb saeb September 13, 2010 at 12:32 AM September 13, 2010 at 12:32 AM link Permalink

LOL a thousand times. (does that make any sense in waseeigo? :S)

blay_paul blay_paul September 12, 2010 at 7:05 PM September 12, 2010 at 7:05 PM link Permalink

Latest message bug.

You might already know this one, but if you click a link shown in the "Latest messages" section of the home page it does not work.

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sysko sysko September 13, 2010 at 1:41 AM September 13, 2010 at 1:41 AM link Permalink

yep, and I have no idea of how to fix it :s (nor time to think about it :s:s), but it's true I haven't note it down into the bugs list.

blay_paul blay_paul September 12, 2010 at 4:58 PM September 12, 2010 at 4:58 PM link Permalink

Japanese -> English translation campaign.

There are now less than 190 Japanese sentences that haven't been translated into English!

Let's see if we can bring that down to zero. :-)

http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentence...ng/indifferent

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minshirui minshirui September 12, 2010 at 11:32 PM September 12, 2010 at 11:32 PM link Permalink

Less than 200? I'm sure you could do them single-handed, Paul. =P

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blay_paul blay_paul September 13, 2010 at 8:17 AM September 13, 2010 at 8:17 AM link Permalink

> Less than 200? I'm sure you could do them single-handed, Paul. =P

Maybe I could do 10 a day. There are some that will be quite a challenge, though.

blay_paul blay_paul September 12, 2010 at 11:24 PM September 12, 2010 at 11:24 PM link Permalink

We need a better way of ensuring new entries get checked by someone. With special emphasis on entries added by new users.

FeuDRenais FeuDRenais September 12, 2010 at 9:26 PM September 12, 2010 at 9:26 PM link Permalink

Tatoeba with Ratings:

Okay, this is probably a really bad idea, but... If we wanted to experiment with what Tatoeba would be like with ratings, we could technically try and simulate it with tags. Simply leave a tag "good + #" or "bad + #" for a thumbs up/down system, or "1-10 + [some string to make it unique]" for a 1-10...

Just a thought.

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blay_paul blay_paul September 12, 2010 at 9:38 PM September 12, 2010 at 9:38 PM link Permalink

No thanks - I think there are enough useless and semi-useless tags already.

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FeuDRenais FeuDRenais September 12, 2010 at 10:26 PM September 12, 2010 at 10:26 PM link Permalink

What do you guys think of this idea?

1 - Atrocious
2 - Terrible
3 - Horrifying
4 - Bad
5 - Not good

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minshirui minshirui September 12, 2010 at 11:31 PM September 12, 2010 at 11:31 PM link Permalink

5

Demetrius Demetrius September 13, 2010 at 12:19 AM September 13, 2010 at 12:19 AM link Permalink

0

Demetrius Demetrius September 12, 2010 at 9:44 PM September 12, 2010 at 9:44 PM link Permalink

+1

Demetrius Demetrius September 12, 2010 at 9:53 PM September 12, 2010 at 9:53 PM link Permalink

IMO, this kind of metadata is not fit for tags.

boracasli boracasli September 12, 2010 at 11:42 AM September 12, 2010 at 11:42 AM link Permalink

My idea: Tatoeba Dictionary will be opened.
In the Tatoeba Project, this dictionary will be used in translation of sentences. Because I'm using google translate as a english-turkish dictionary. But I don't translate sentences with this!
But Tatoeba Dictionary will contain only words, not sentences.
Is it a good idea?

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CK CK September 12, 2010 at 9:33 PM, edited October 26, 2019 at 4:10 AM September 12, 2010 at 9:33 PM, edited October 26, 2019 at 4:10 AM link Permalink

[not needed anymore- removed by CK]

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Demetrius Demetrius September 12, 2010 at 9:47 PM September 12, 2010 at 9:47 PM link Permalink

Thank you for the link! ^^

Demetrius Demetrius September 12, 2010 at 9:55 PM September 12, 2010 at 9:55 PM link Permalink

IMHO their license is too restrictive.

sysko sysko September 13, 2010 at 1:38 AM September 13, 2010 at 1:38 AM link Permalink

For words, sure it's not the goal of tatoeba, we're focusing on sentences. I'm discussing with the guys of shtooka (those who provide us audio) as their first focus was too record words, and they're on the way to extand more the "website"/"works over the internet" part, maybe they will be the tatoeba of words ?

Pharamp Pharamp September 12, 2010 at 11:57 AM September 12, 2010 at 11:57 AM link Permalink

We have Wiktionary for this purpose, don't we?

But please have a good behaviour in Wiktionary - or you will be blocked soon and permanently as a vandal.

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Demetrius Demetrius September 12, 2010 at 9:05 PM September 12, 2010 at 9:05 PM link Permalink

Wictionary is hard to edit for an average user.

It’s hard to find a balance between a computer-parsable dictionary and a easy-to-edit for an average human being. The Wiktionary is *much* *more* *complicated* than Tatoeba.

Aslo, although it’s exportable and parseable, but I haven’t seen any program that presents the exported data in a form of a bilingual dictionary.

All in all, I believe the Wiki engine is not fit for creating dictionaries.



I think we’ll run into the problem of a dictionary later:
1. Now we have some tags [verb_of_motion, Genitive] that are better fit as tags for words, not for sentences. => We need tags for words.
2. We can’t tag all the words, or force users to do it, since it’s too much work. => We need a morphology analyser.
3. Morphology data about the words need the dictionary. Wiktionary is hard to edit for an average user and rarely exported. => We need something more lightweight.

So I believe one day something like Tatoeba dictionary will emerge.

Also, there is a problem: what language edition of Wiktionary to choose? The explanations are different, but the translations in all Wiktionaries in fact duplicate each other.

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Pharamp Pharamp September 13, 2010 at 6:07 PM September 13, 2010 at 6:07 PM link Permalink

@Demetrius
I don't think you know what you said ;)

kisses

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Demetrius Demetrius September 14, 2010 at 2:17 PM September 14, 2010 at 2:17 PM link Permalink

Now I don’t know if I know what I’ve said.

ö (It’s my new way of writing :o)

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FeuDRenais FeuDRenais September 14, 2010 at 5:24 PM September 14, 2010 at 5:24 PM link Permalink

^ö^

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Demetrius Demetrius September 14, 2010 at 5:37 PM September 14, 2010 at 5:37 PM link Permalink

Cool!

boracasli boracasli September 12, 2010 at 9:20 PM September 12, 2010 at 9:20 PM link Permalink

You're right. Is my idea good?
1 - Terrible
2 - Bad
3 - Average
4 - Good
5 - Perfect

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FeuDRenais FeuDRenais September 12, 2010 at 9:23 PM September 12, 2010 at 9:23 PM link Permalink

Haha... can one person vote multiple times?

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boracasli boracasli September 12, 2010 at 10:53 PM September 12, 2010 at 10:53 PM link Permalink

I allow to vote multiple times to all users.

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FeuDRenais FeuDRenais September 12, 2010 at 11:00 PM September 12, 2010 at 11:00 PM link Permalink

I vote 5 an infinite number of times! This idea is infinitely perfect.

boracasli boracasli September 12, 2010 at 11:43 AM September 12, 2010 at 11:43 AM link Permalink

And Tatoeba Project's logo is green, Tatoeba Dictionary's logo color will be selected by administrators.

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Demetrius Demetrius September 12, 2010 at 8:54 PM September 12, 2010 at 8:54 PM link Permalink

By the way, there is a secret copy of Tatoeba. ;) It is blue.