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English and French don't match.
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences_lists/show/32
Could someone go through this list (45 sentences) and add English translations in the comments for the French sentences?
As you could see, I'm working on it :)
For some sentences I don't know, a better speaker of English should check at my place!
Good progress - only nine left to do.
I created http://tatoeba.org/eng/tags/sho...ranslate_en-fr
If someone has the time to do it... :)
[not needed anymore- removed by CK]
Sounds like a very reasonable distinction to make.
I've added "British English spelling" and "Incorre... sorry: "American English spelling" to
http://martin.swift.is/tatoeba/...ml#orthography
Was going to search for some phrases to create these tags on and populate with, but the search engine seems to be down a the moment.
** Thoughts on Tags: Moderators should be helped with clear nice tags, don't they? **
Calling for destruction:
http://tatoeba.org/ita/tags/sho...ith_tag/delete
http://tatoeba.org/ita/tags/sho...th_tag/@delete
http://tatoeba.org/ita/tags/sho...not_a_sentence
http://tatoeba.org/ita/tags/sho...not_a_sentence
http://tatoeba.org/ita/tags/sho...g/non-sentence
http://tatoeba.org/ita/tags/sho...near-duplicate
Calling physically:
http://tatoeba.org/ita/tags/sho...tag/@moderator
http://tatoeba.org/ita/tags/sho...ag/@moderators
Calling a pen-mate:
http://tatoeba.org/ita/tags/sho...s_Native_Check
http://tatoeba.org/ita/tags/sho...s_Native_Check
Calling for correcting (what?)
http://tatoeba.org/ita/tags/sho...th_tag/@change
http://tatoeba.org/ita/tags/sho...ith_tag/@check
http://tatoeba.org/ita/tags/sho.../grammar_check
http://tatoeba.org/ita/tags/sho...h_tag/to_check
http://tatoeba.org/ita/tags/sho...to_be_reviewed
http://tatoeba.org/ita/tags/sho...g/non-standard
http://tatoeba.org/ita/tags/sho...g/@link-unlink
Calling for protection:
http://tatoeba.org/ita/tags/sho...pyright_issues
http://tatoeba.org/ita/tags/sho...ight_violation
Some nonsense:
http://tatoeba.org/ita/tags/sho...@check_tagging
http://tatoeba.org/ita/tags/sho...check/_tagging
And it's only what I found...
(All this for suggesting to make some policies on it ;P)
Well, everyone should be helped with nice clean tags. :-)
Many of these can be merged while others are empty and unused and can be deleted.
* @delete should take on "delete" ("delete not a sentence" is empty and can be deleted).
* @moderators and @moderator should be merged (under which is a matter of taste but ultimately unimportant).
* @check could take on "Needs Native Check", "@Needs Native Check" and "to check". Possibly "to be reviewed", too.
See also:
http://martin.swift.is/tatoeba/tags.html#tatoeba
> * @check could take on "Needs Native Check", "@Needs Native Check" and "to check".
Not sure I agree with that. The way I look at it, 'Native check' is for sentences that are suspected of sounding odd or being incorrect. 'Check' includes sentences that sound perfectly fine, but are not good translations. So a 'Native check' example doesn't need the checker to know any other languages.
If you feel that there is a use in separating the two, then an "@translation check" tag might be useful to make its use clearer. The current @check tag is used as generally as the name implies (e.g. #400689 ). Neither it nor "to_check" have many or obscure languages, so this wouldn't be difficult to remedy.
Well, I think I prefer to split things.
@check or @change don't mean anything.
Check what? Grammar? Flag? How a sentence sounds natural? If there is a capital letter?
So, I'd prefer to set "@" like "something is wrong", and then:
@grammar (grammar sounds wrong)
@flag (flag is to be changed)
@ponctuation (simple dots missing)
@translations (to verify translations / link-unlink)
@orthography (bad word spelling)
and so on...
We can establish @check as: "I should look on it further, or someone else should read this sentence too", when @Needs Native Check implies that a native person is needed (when who entered the sentence is not a native speaker of the sentence's language)
@moderator(s) is quite useless ^^'
Also, if I see an Arabic sentence with @ponctuation when all comments are in Arabic, I get immediately the problem, even if I don't speak Arabic. It happened many times to re-ask "what's wrong here?" or to ask Muiriel to translate me German comments while there was just a "s" missing.
OK. I'll go along with the proposed tag codification.
Good job, Pharamp!
I'm not sure that a tag will be sufficient to indicate to moderators what needs to be done. Let's say a sentence is tagged with @puncutation and has multiple punctuation mistakes, then a moderator, not proficient in the language may well fix the ones he or she recognises and remove the tag. The same goes for grammar and spelling.
I think @change has a useful purpose in making sure that a problem that has been identified in the comments will eventually be dealt with. All that's needed is for either the owner or a moderator to fix it.
If people want to split @check, then I'm leaning towards the sentence/link split. My rationale is that no matter what is seen as wrong with the sentence, any proficient speaker of that language can deal with it -- and should be able to spot any problem that may exist (whether grammar, spelling or just odd phrasing).
A useful tag for link integrity is a bit tougher as it refers to two or more sentences, but currently we can't tag the links themselves. A simple, low-tech solution would be to have a single "@link check" tag that one could filter by ones strongest language(s) and browse for translations that one felt one could judge as good or bad.
That being said, I think @Needs Native Check and Needs Native Check should just be merged. But yes, I don't agree that they should be associated with @check.
@check seems to be very general and can even include things like wrong language flags and punctuation mistakes. Native check is more specific and thus more efficient. A native speaker simply looks at all the tagged sentences in his/her language and can immediately say whether it's fine or not (without having to worry about all the clutter from @check).
Fair enough, but things like wrong flags and punctuations would be put under @change, no?
I haven't been browsing these tags so I'll defer to you gents for their most efficient usage. Are there still cases you can think of that don't fall under checking sentence accuracy or their links to translations?
Yea, you're right. Those would be under @change.
Oops! Posted wrong link before.
Trying something new.
It occurred to me that having the numbered sentences and the comment system makes this a suitable place for playing around with "Choose Your Own Adventure" type stories.
See following page for details.
http://tatoeba.org/ita/sentences/show/483959
Post comments, questions and suggestions here or in the link above.
Fuuuuuuuunnnnn !
this need people to translate also the comment when they translate:) , I really think this is a smart "hack" of tatoeba system
Please remove "@cburgmer, are you still learning Turkish?" from "What's New"
Neden?
Parmi les langues mentionnées peut-on trouver le thibétain ?
non nous n'avons pas encore eu de contributeurs dans cette langue. Mais nous serions heureux si tu connaissais un tel contributeur :)
Just don't tell Big Brother, sysko...
Where's the link to the "lists" page gone?
I see the page is still there, but there's no link on the top of the page anymore.
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences_lists/index
Normaly it's in the dropdown menu browe -> browse by list ?
Ah! Didn't spot that - I don't think I've ever used the
browse link since you redesigned the interface. :-P
Quelles possibilités existent-elles de relier 2 traductions quand on est propriétaire d'aucune des 2 ?
En effet, si A connait la langue 1 mais pas la 2, que B connait la 2 mais pas la 1, comment C, s'il connait les langues 1 et 2 peut-il indiquer qu'une phrase de A correspond à une autre de B ?
les modos peuvents. Lorsque l'historique des ajouts / suppressions de liens seront facilement accessibles, on passera la fonctionnalité à tous les trusted users.
*sera
Actuellement, je dois adopter des phrases pour pouvoir les lier. C'est contraignant et pas tellement logique.
Je trouve que la possession du lien et la possession des phrases elles-même devraient constituer deux choses distinctes.
Je peux en effet faire un piètre rédacteur tout en étant à même de détecter une équivalence.
Il existe une façon... (mais je me tais)
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