Quite a noticeable difference, if you ask me. Arial and sans-serif are the only ones that display the sentence correctly.

Thank you for doing the test, by the way.

True. That would work nicely.

Thanks!

This is what I mean by textarea things being ugly the way it's set up now:

http://www.ccapprox.info/fontscreen1.png

and the difference if you override the textarea font family to make it sans-serif:

http://www.ccapprox.info/fontscreen2.png

Of course, these things might vary with browsers/computers, but just as a suggestion...

>> The only way out I see is to use different font families to display sentences in different alphabets, though it may be kinda tricky task.

Right, exactly. I've done this for a site before, and it requires (at least for a novice like me) conditionals in the css commands. In my case, I just have a database table for the languages where each one can have an appropriate font family defined. Conceptually, it's easy, but it would probably require a bit of going through the code to set appropriate families. Might also require database calls which might be tricky depending on how the Tatoeba database is organized (I think I remember Trang telling me that Tatoeba was just one huge table, so maybe that would be tricky...)

The textarea fix would be nice, though, and could probably be done by setting the font family in the general css file (to sans-serif - my recommendation ;-)

(if you have time, of course, sysko)

Hello.

It's true that browsers have an effect, and that the problem is partially solved for some fonts in some browsers. Some fonts are, however, more robust than others. Sans-serif, for example, tends to display Uyghur without issue in most, if not all, modern browsers. I suppose my suggestion would be to just use sans-serif for Uyghur since this avoids a lot of issues (perhaps other font-families are even better though).

Perhaps a nicer and easier fix would be to specify the fonts of the different textarea elements instead of using the defaults. Drafting a message in Uyghur is a total nightmare here, as it comes out looking very ugly while being typed.

An example that doesn't work in Firefox would be here: http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/2125035

In Chrome, the same example comes out fine (though ugly) for the main sentence but is still displayed wrong on the right-hand-side logs.

--- Arabic Fonts on Tatoeba ---

I don't know if this is relevant to all languages that use Arabic fonts, but I've noticed that certain letters aren't properly connected with the Trebuchet font used by Tatoeba when it comes to displaying Uyghur.

Would it be possible (I guess I'm asking sysko here) to add a conditional statement in the code to display Uyghur (and maybe other languages if needed) in other font families? For Uyghur, I've known it to be displayed fine in sans-serif.

I agree. This sort of censorship is awkward.

I don't think that I agree with oksys (whose left-to-right username I don't dare mention for fear of being banned) on this one.

The point of the rhetorical question is that different organizations define different standards. Since Tatoeba's standards are apparently not well-defined, the issue is open to discussion.

If it is "simply wrong" that a CM has to act as a good example, then I've completely misunderstood the essence of this site in the ~3 years that I've been here. Yet you've grasped it in less than 2 months. Please educate me further.

Regarding character, you keep yours and I'll keep mine.

This is the MIT-Harvard dilemma. A student with perfect scores will be accepted into one but not the other. Why?

As someone pointed out before, a CM has to act as a good example, particularly to newcomers. You said ability, knowledge, and character. I've nothing against the first two, but apparently our definitions of "character" are extremely different.

>>> SC's detractors appear to have made no reference to his fitness (or otherwise) to perform those essentially curatorial functions that are the sole prerogative of CM's

This would vary with opinion, but I would think that a curator who makes a number of other curators quit their job is not a good curator. And SC's detractors (those who are still here) made reference to this repeatedly.

I'm going to try to kill a whole nest of birds with a single stone, so here goes...

1) Sacredceltic as Corpus Maintainer.

Personally... No, no, and a thousand times no. All personal squabbles aside, too many users have left Tatoeba because of him, either directly or indirectly. That being said, he IS a good contributor and would be a good corpus maintainer if only he could not speak... Is there a script for that?

More seriously, this really depends on what Tatoeba aims to become. If the quality of a user is judged by cold statistics, then Sacredceltic should be promoted without question. If Tatoeba hopes to be a community with some code of ethics, morals, and respect for other users, then absolutely not. If the goal is to have a diverse community, then absolutely yes, as Sacredceltic is certainly a character (in a good way) and fills an important niche.

In the end, this is entirely a question for Sysko to decide, but my vote (whatever it be worth) is unsurprisingly against. I wish Trang were here to contribute to the discussion, but it looks like she's left (very unfortunately).

2) Aliases

The aliases that Sacredceltic has listed are not me. It's true that I've created multiple IDs before, and here they are: dimasadventures, ixchi, TFO, qilich_omer. I don't remember ever once using them to try to fool anyone, though. Mostly, I used them as a means of contributing without getting involved in the "politics" of Tatoeba (let's call them that).

3) Corrections to my sentences

I've been irresponsibly away for over a year now (and will probably be away for another year) and have just left a lot of sentences in limbo. Sorry about that, and thanks to those who have corrected/discussed them. I don't agree with all of the changes, so you'll probably hear from me on those very soon. I'll do a quick run through and will make a better effort to reply to comments in the future.

sysko rules with an iron fist. There's nothing we can do.

I'm pretty sure that editing people implies multiple human rights violations. I don't know about linking them, though. That might still be okay.

Going to China has inspired you with some interesting ideas...

Let's hope that the new version of Tatoeba doesn't let sysko ban friendships...

Both Slavic and Turkic languages would have declensions, I think.

That would involve getting Facebook. An unpayable price!

I agree (I don't like birthdays either), but it could be a cool addition.

Really? I had never run into that before.

Well, here's a secret:

The person who "invented" birthday notifications for Facebook was (probably) me.

So, it'd be kind of OK, since it's not really a Facebook idea (i.e. FB would have no right saying that TTB was copying them). And it'd be nice - in terms of the community-building aspect.