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sacredceltic sacredceltic November 19, 2012 November 19, 2012 at 3:25:33 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Je proteste de manière véhémente contre le fait que des gestionnaires du corpus s'octroient le droit de changer les phrases d'auteurs sans même leur envoyer un message.
C'est une infraction grave aux fondements mêmes de Tatoeba et c'est donc INACCEPTABLE.
Je demande qu'un rappel à l'ordre soit fait et que les statuts des gestionnaires du Corpus en infraction avec le règlement soient révoqués s'ils persistent à pervertir les principes du service.

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Scott Scott November 19, 2012 November 19, 2012 at 3:33:26 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

I don't know which case you're talking about, but I agree that CMs should always make a comment and wait for the required period before making a change.

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sacredceltic sacredceltic November 19, 2012 November 19, 2012 at 3:39:28 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Je ne donne pas de noms. A vous de vous reconnaître, mais on sait bien de qui on parle.
Je pense que certains Gestionnaires finissent par se penser propriétaires du Corpus. Je pense que c'est très dangereux.
Si ça continue, on va vivre dans une atmosphère paranoïaque où chacun va constamment contrôler si ses phrases n'ont pas été changées dans son dos, ce qui fera fuir les contributeurs. Tatoeba a tout à perdre en laissant faire ça...

sysko sysko November 19, 2012 November 19, 2012 at 4:07:26 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

je vais m'occuper de faire les rappels nécessaires, si par la suite tu remarques d'autres 'manquement aux réglèments' tu peux me les signaler par message privé et je ferai ce que je jugerai nécessaire

halfb1t halfb1t November 20, 2012 November 20, 2012 at 7:02:36 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

I just got here and know nothing of anything that may have happened, but I've lived a long life and experienced many organizations and collaborations.

The idea of "owning" one's contributions is sound. No doubt provision must be made for "abandoned" contributions and bad actors; but an abiding respect for contributors' "property rights" is a solid foundation it would be folly to permit tampering with.

Temptations are always allied to power. Organizations that grant powers need policies and programs that keep alertness to temptation in the forefront of the minds of the powerful, provide fora for the discussion of temptation, and offer support for its resistence. Powerful individuals unconscious of temptation and resistance are probably unsuited to their responsibilities.

Well-known means should exist for the reporting of suspected improprieties, discussion of cases, and--when necessary--withdrawal of powers.

These are virtues for mature organizations, but even young organizations should plan for their development: failure to do so risks schism; and the beautiful idea of Tatoeba deserves better.

Ecouter au tocsin.