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Sentence #2195765

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jdmcowan jdmcowan February 6, 2013 February 6, 2013 at 2:54:02 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

-vam (this) only works if you are using, "that," as an emphatic (i.e. "Whoa! That teapot's pretty dirty."), but if you are using it to actually differentiate two choices then you should use -vetlh (that) (i.e. "That teapot's pretty dirty, but this one looks OK.")

loghaD loghaD February 6, 2013 February 6, 2013 at 4:03:13 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Indeed; -{vam} works for most cases where there is only one teapot, and it's fairly close to the speaker. In other contexts, it gets more complex.

There's also the ambiguity of "pretty" to worry about:
If it really means "not very", one can add {loQ} to the beginning of the sentence.
If, by meiosis, it actually means "very", you can instead affix -{qu'} to the end of {lam}.
If the "pretty" is only there to make the sentence more casual, it remains unchanged.

Humans and their weird expressions, eh?

jdmcowan jdmcowan February 6, 2013 February 6, 2013 at 6:49:35 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

I don't think I have ever heard "pretty" used to mean "not very". Can you give me another example where that meaning is more clear?

I also do not know what meiosis means when applied to linguistics. Could you explain that?

loghaD loghaD February 6, 2013 February 6, 2013 at 7:13:00 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Actually, perhaps "not very" is a bad description, Dictionary.com gives these definitions:

adverb
10. fairly or moderately: "Her work was pretty good."
11. quite; very: "The wind blew pretty hard."

Wiktionary gives:
1. Somewhat, fairly, quite; sometimes also (by meiosis) very.

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Meiosis is an intentional understatement, sometimes in order to add emphasis.
"That's pretty rude!" really means "That's *VERY* rude!"

jdmcowan jdmcowan February 6, 2013 February 6, 2013 at 7:29:10 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Thank you. I still can't imagine a context where <loQ> at the beginning could mean any of those definitions you posted, but putting <-qu'> on the end of <lam> is definitely an option when the, "pretty," is meant to mean, "very."

loghaD loghaD February 6, 2013 February 6, 2013 at 7:44:56 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Yeah, {loQ} is perhaps a bit too much on the "low" side of the scale. If anything, it'd be {tlhoS}.

jdmcowan jdmcowan February 6, 2013 February 6, 2013 at 7:58:15 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

I feel like <tlhoS> is even "lower" than <loQ>.

loghaD loghaD February 6, 2013 February 6, 2013 at 8:32:32 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Yes, I suppose in order to make {tlhoS X} work, X needs to be slightly stronger than what you actually mean.

"It's very good." -> {tlhoS pup.} = "It's pretty much perfect."
"I speak the language well." -> {tlhoS Holvam vIjatlhlaHchu'.} = "I'm speak the language pretty much perfectly."

I wonder if the word {loQHa'} would make sense.

jdmcowan jdmcowan February 6, 2013 February 6, 2013 at 8:46:11 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

loQHa' and tlhoSHa' have both been suggested for meanings very similar to "pretty" here, but there was much arguing over them. I sort of like loQHa', but use it at your own risk.

loghaD loghaD February 6, 2013 February 6, 2013 at 9:03:57 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Yes, I also like {loQHa'}. I think it works quite well because it seems like fairly clear that it means something more than {loQ} (maybe a fair amount, maybe a huge amount, but at least more than {loQ}), whereas with {tlhoS} it's a bit unclear if it's more or less than {tlhoS} (would it means "more than quite" or "not even close to quite"?).

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This sentence was initially added as a translation of sentence #495951That teapot's pretty dirty..

loQ lamtaH runpI'vam.

added by loghaD, February 6, 2013

linked by loghaD, February 6, 2013

lam runpI'vam.

edited by loghaD, February 6, 2013

lam runpI''e'.

edited by loghaD, February 7, 2013