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Sentence #3480020

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carlosalberto carlosalberto September 25, 2014 September 25, 2014 at 5:56:07 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Tomo puŝis Maria ==> Tomo puŝis Marian / Tomon puŝis Maria (?)

Pfirsichbaeumchen Pfirsichbaeumchen September 25, 2014 September 25, 2014 at 6:06:44 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Estas tre bedaŭrinde, ke Aleĉjo rifuzas nomi ŝin Manjo. ☺

PaulP PaulP September 25, 2014 September 25, 2014 at 7:11:36 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

+1

al_ex_an_der al_ex_an_der September 25, 2014 September 25, 2014 at 7:21:57 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Feliĉe la nomininativo "Tomo" montras, ke Maria ne puŝis Tomon.

@Liza
Mi nomus ŝin Manjo, se en la germana frazo ŝi estus Mariechen. ☺

carlosalberto carlosalberto September 25, 2014 September 25, 2014 at 7:37:51 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Ĉu Maria estas kaj nominativo kaj akuzativo?

al_ex_an_der al_ex_an_der September 25, 2014 September 25, 2014 at 7:52:23 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Maria estas nomo, kies formo rajtas resti senŝanĝa sendepende de la gramatika funkcio en la frazo. Legante la tutan frazon mi konkludas, ke Maria estas la objekto de la puŝado.

carlosalberto carlosalberto September 25, 2014 September 25, 2014 at 8:31:33 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Em português a ordem das palavras é muito significativa, o que não acontece no esperanto. E como seria possível a um aprendiz saber que "Maria", em acusativo, não precisa da terminação -n?

PaulP PaulP September 25, 2014, edited May 13, 2025 September 25, 2014 at 8:37:32 PM UTC, edited May 13, 2025 at 4:02:55 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Ĉar "Tomo" havas finaĵon -o kaj do klare estas en la nominativo. Se la frazo estus "Tom puŝis Maria" ĝi estus multe pli komplikita ;-)

carlosalberto carlosalberto September 25, 2014 September 25, 2014 at 8:49:57 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Karlos puŝis Maria... [Kiu puŝis kiun?] ☺

al_ex_an_der al_ex_an_der September 25, 2014, edited September 25, 2014 September 25, 2014 at 8:55:21 PM UTC, edited September 25, 2014 at 8:56:41 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Ĉi tie restas nur la espero, ke la sintaksa skemo estas "subjekto, predikato, objekto" (kio en Esperanto ne estas deviga, tamen tre ofta). Do mi supozas, ke Karlo puŝis nian ĉarman heroinon.

carlosalberto carlosalberto September 25, 2014 September 25, 2014 at 9:07:01 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Mas eu nunca faria isso! ☺

carlosalberto carlosalberto September 26, 2014 September 26, 2014 at 7:07:09 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

@ al_ex_an_der

Proper names. In the case of non-Esperanto names it is possible to indicate the accusative, where desired, by the addition of N after a vowel, or ON after a consonant. This is the plan adopted by Zamenhof in La Malnova Testamento. Or the name may be regarded as a foreign word and left unchanged for the accusative.
Examples. David, Davidon. Noa, Noan. Sara, Saran. Robinson, Robinsonon. Smith, Smithon (or simply Smith). Of course, proper names which have been converted by use into Esperanto are treated like other nouns in O, as Londono, Londonon; Berlino, Berlinon. Jones íris Berlinon, kaj renkontis Arturon Brown = Jones went to Berlin and met Arthur Brown.
The International Auxiliary Language Esperanto Grammar & Commentary, Compiled by Major-General George Cox, Fourth Edition Revised – British Esperanto Association Incorporated, 1939.

Encontrei aqui a justificativa para que se possa usar, por exemplo, "Maria" sem -n em acusativo.

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This sentence was initially added as a translation of sentence #3479985Tom pushed Mary off the cliff..

Tomo puŝfaligis Maria de sur la klifo.

added by al_ex_an_der, September 8, 2014

linked by al_ex_an_der, September 8, 2014

linked by al_ex_an_der, September 8, 2014

linked by danepo, September 8, 2014

Tomo puŝis Maria de sur la klifo.

edited by al_ex_an_der, September 9, 2014

linked by PaulP, September 25, 2014