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Sentence #5711369

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brauchinet brauchinet December 27, 2016 December 27, 2016 at 1:59:24 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

German says that he will not try.

Is there a difference between these two?
- I won't try to refute your theses.
- I will try not to refute your theses.

joshodude_1308 joshodude_1308 December 27, 2016 December 27, 2016 at 2:02:06 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

won't is the same as will not- much like how can't is the same as cannot and so forth.

brauchinet brauchinet December 27, 2016 December 27, 2016 at 2:05:54 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Yes, but I meant the different word order.
(Thinking it over, I am pretty sure there is a difference)

joshodude_1308 joshodude_1308 December 27, 2016 December 27, 2016 at 2:09:25 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

I think you could have "I will not try to refute your theses" as well as "I will try not to refute your theses " but I don't think it adds any ambiguity to meaning

brauchinet brauchinet December 27, 2016 December 27, 2016 at 3:00:17 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

In this example, it's hard to imagine a substantial difference, but I’m not really convinced the meaning of these two is exactly the same.

"I will try not to refute your theses" means something "I feel the urge to refute your theses, but for some reason I'll try not to do it." The point is that I restrain myself from doing it.
"I will not try to refute your theses" means something like "For some reason (maybe I know it's not possible or very difficult) I will not take the effort. It's more neutral, it doesn’t mean I have to restrain myself.

Pfirsichbaeumchen Pfirsichbaeumchen December 27, 2016, edited December 27, 2016 December 27, 2016 at 3:09:29 PM UTC, edited December 27, 2016 at 3:10:03 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

I, too, have the feeling that it should be “I won’t/will not try to refute your theses”, as what you wrote in the sentence above would be “Ich werde versuchen, Ihre Thesen nicht zu widerlegen”, which is different.

joshodude_1308 joshodude_1308 December 27, 2016 December 27, 2016 at 5:34:50 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

I'll change it then

joshodude_1308 joshodude_1308 December 27, 2016 December 27, 2016 at 5:35:19 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Thank you

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This sentence was initially added as a translation of sentence #3320601Ich werde nicht versuchen, Ihre Thesen zu widerlegen..

I will try not to refute your theses.

added by joshodude_1308, December 27, 2016

I won't try to refute your theses.

edited by joshodude_1308, December 27, 2016

linked by duran, December 27, 2016

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