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odexed odexed May 8, 2016 May 8, 2016 at 1:51:11 AM UTC link Permalink

Nice work. Thanks for the audio.

odexed odexed May 8, 2016, edited May 8, 2016 May 8, 2016 at 1:46:04 AM UTC, edited May 8, 2016 at 1:46:50 AM UTC link Permalink

Since you changed your sentence it was deleted as a copy of #3144618
Horus also unlinked the sentences he linked before. But please note that Horus only relinked the links he created but not the links you or other people made. So now there are some problems

http://i.imgur.com/dCNMyWB.png?1

odexed odexed April 28, 2016, edited April 28, 2016 April 28, 2016 at 7:58:38 AM UTC, edited April 28, 2016 at 8:00:42 AM UTC link Permalink

The censorship on Tatoeba is quite vague. Some sentences like the one mentioned by Impersonator are being deleted, others like #4111307 and #3459609 are considered as freedom of expression. So you could chance it.

odexed odexed April 23, 2016, edited April 23, 2016 April 23, 2016 at 9:27:13 AM UTC, edited April 23, 2016 at 10:11:30 AM UTC link Permalink

Hi, damascene

Nice to see you here and that's a pity that you are disappointed.
Here I share some of my thoughts about what you wrote.
1) GPL license is used for software, it's not something appropriate for Tatoeba, I think. Creative Commons licenses are good for all kinds of creative works. There is CC BY-NC 2.0 that is for uncommercial use but Tatoeba permits to use its data for other projects (even commercial) so if you contribute sentences you have to agree with that.

2) We don't split Arabic language but represent the current situation as other qualified linguists do. You may have no trouble speaking Arabic from different countries but for me they are really different. For example, تذهب الآن إلى السوق in Syrian Arabic would be انت هلق بروح ع السوق and in Saudi Arabia انت دخّين تروح ع السوق
There are even differences in pronounciation, for example ق in Saudi Arabia sounds different from how it's pronounced in Syria. Or ج in Egypt and in other countries.
Also there are differences in grammar and vocabulary is totally different.

3) It takes some time to get used to the rules but we all obey them.
Anyway your contribution is valuable and as a student of Arabic I read your sentences too. Thank you.

odexed odexed April 22, 2016 April 22, 2016 at 1:50:47 AM UTC link Permalink

Congratulations on your anniversary and thank you for all your help. I appreciate it.

odexed odexed April 20, 2016 April 20, 2016 at 5:38:30 AM UTC link Permalink

Well, I don't see the word "dialect" this way. To me it's a synonym of variety. For example, when I was studying Spanish I talked to many people (also teachers) and they used to say "кастильский диалект" (Castilian Spanish in the sense of Spanish spoken in all of Spain) or "латиноамериканский диалект" (Spanish spoken in Latin America) without denoting any as inferior. It's not very accurate but enough in the first approximation for people who start from zero. Having said that, I admit that some Arabic varieties are so different that we could consider them as different languages.
The most difficult thing is to not make a mess by creating new languages in Tatoeba, because most people can easily get confused. For example, if we were to represent all varieties of Nahuatl in Tatoeba it would be a total mess to me (I would prefer tags for dialects that are mutually intelligible).

odexed odexed April 20, 2016, edited April 20, 2016 April 20, 2016 at 3:21:21 AM UTC, edited April 20, 2016 at 3:31:47 AM UTC link Permalink

I've read this discussion. First of all, I don't agree that Arabic dialects differ as much as British and Australian English. It's simply untrue. For example, people from Syria don't understand people from Morocco. I can't say that Egyptian Arabic is close to Gulf Arabic either. I understand that Egyptian dialect is understandable because of TV and movies but it doesn't mean that the dialects are similar. I also understand that Arabs don't like to divide their language into dialects as Western linguists do just because they consider dialect as "language without grammar" (in the sense that colloquial languages are simpler in grammar). Another reason is that during colonial period some varieties were raised and imposed by colonial governments. For example, students in Algeria were prohibited from learning Classical Arabic but they were taught colloquial Maghrebi Arabic. But I still think we should stick to ISO. Only this way we can have a clear idea of what Arabic languages are in terms of linguistics.

odexed odexed April 20, 2016, edited April 20, 2016 April 20, 2016 at 2:12:11 AM UTC, edited April 20, 2016 at 2:21:21 AM UTC link Permalink

What's wrong with Egyptian Arabic, Gulf Arabic, Levantine Arabic etc? They all differ from Modern Standart Arabic and have ISO codes. I prefer these names (without parentheses). If we talk about how different are Bahraini Arabic and Kuwait Arabic, it's enough to say that these dialects are mutually intelligible. They may have some differences in vocabulary or slight differences in grammar but we can tag them. I don't see any problem here.

odexed odexed April 16, 2016 April 16, 2016 at 7:02:07 PM UTC link Permalink

Thank you for testing it :-)

odexed odexed April 16, 2016 April 16, 2016 at 6:22:53 PM UTC link Permalink

Let's find out what's the problem. I will PM you.

odexed odexed April 16, 2016 April 16, 2016 at 6:16:11 PM UTC link Permalink

Yes, you should organize your favorites first.
I tried these settings for your example http://pastebin.com/CHQJZJ1X
and I got 3 Catalan sentences that are translated into Spanish


De què parlaba? ¿De qué hablaba? by_ziggsmith
Em sap greu haver-te causat tants problemes. Lamento haberte ocasionado tantos problemas. by_calogero
Quines xicones més boniques hi ha en este poble! ¡Qué muchachas más guapas hay en este pueblo! by_verver

odexed odexed April 16, 2016 April 16, 2016 at 6:01:22 PM UTC link Permalink

I only checked it with favorite sentences or lists but not with advanced search.

odexed odexed April 16, 2016 April 16, 2016 at 4:46:54 PM UTC link Permalink

https://tatoeba.org/eng/wall/sh...#message_25959

odexed odexed April 12, 2016, edited April 12, 2016 April 12, 2016 at 12:42:03 PM UTC, edited April 12, 2016 at 12:47:02 PM UTC link Permalink

Right, I just pointed it out since the question was about a tag that specifies an interlocutor and not a speaker.

odexed odexed April 12, 2016 April 12, 2016 at 11:08:44 AM UTC link Permalink

No, but some people may confuse "said by male" with "said to male". That's why I prefer to use 'male speaker'

odexed odexed April 12, 2016 April 12, 2016 at 10:37:05 AM UTC link Permalink

You may fuse them but people will likely tag their sentence as they prefer. And it's OK as long as other people get the right meaning of the tags.

odexed odexed April 12, 2016 April 12, 2016 at 10:26:47 AM UTC link Permalink

'said to male' is not the same as 'said by male'

odexed odexed April 12, 2016 April 12, 2016 at 8:11:15 AM UTC link Permalink

There is a bug in the log system.
#2621344

odexed odexed April 9, 2016 April 9, 2016 at 5:02:17 PM UTC link Permalink

أهلاً وسهلاً ومرحباً بك يا محمد :-)

odexed odexed April 6, 2016 April 6, 2016 at 10:59:26 AM UTC link Permalink

Parece útil, pero creo que solo sirve para los textos en inglés.