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sharptoothed sharptoothed July 28, 2024 July 28, 2024 at 5:20:04 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

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sharptoothed sharptoothed July 14, 2024 July 14, 2024 at 6:13:38 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

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changkuoth changkuoth July 11, 2024 July 11, 2024 at 2:08:14 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

I recently discovered that the Nuer language has been added to Google Translate, and I was thrilled to contribute, as I have always looked forward to this astonishing news. I have a passion for the Nuer language and have spoken it since birth. I can write, read, and speak Nuer fluently.

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LanguageExpert LanguageExpert July 11, 2024 July 11, 2024 at 8:55:16 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Yes, I've noticed that too! Also, I appreciate all the contributions that you've done on Tatoeba. I love languages, and I just thought I'd show you my appreciation for contributing sentences in Nuer. :) I enjoyed reading your story about your passion for Nuer.

Igider Igider July 11, 2024, edited July 11, 2024 July 11, 2024 at 12:26:39 PM UTC, edited July 11, 2024 at 7:10:54 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Azul, Hi,

(Kab) Wikigzawal - (Eng) Wikitionary*

Maca

(Kab) Wikipedia - (Eng) Wikipedia

Ilaq awalen-a n teglizit ad ten-nerr ar teqbaylit s unamek d uqaleb n teqbaylit.

*Takadimit taqvaylit (Kabyle academy)

doemaar14 doemaar14 July 6, 2024 July 6, 2024 at 11:18:58 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

I recently discovered that Tamazight has been added to Google Translate. I'm wondering: did they use the incredible amount of Tamazight sentences here on Tatoeba?
If that's the case, I congratulate all of the Tamazight contributors on here.
If not, I wonder what data they trained their algorithm on.

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Yettutlay Yettutlay July 7, 2024 July 7, 2024 at 7:31:10 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Thank you ❤️ Tanemmirt ❤️

samir_t samir_t July 7, 2024, edited July 7, 2024 July 7, 2024 at 7:50:46 AM UTC, edited July 7, 2024 at 11:34:29 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Yes, Google Translate added what it called "tamazight" and used the both Tatoeba corpus (ber and kab), but in reality it is 99% Kabyle, which is why it poses a problem for its use, moreover Moroccans have already complained to Google, because the word Tamazight normally includes several North African languages ​​including Algerian and Moroccan languages, and not just Kabyle.

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doemaar14 doemaar14 July 7, 2024 July 7, 2024 at 8:32:26 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

@samir_t Interesting. If it's not too much work, could you give me an example where Google Translate gives you a Kabyle sentence instead of ''standard Tamazight''?

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samir_t samir_t July 7, 2024, edited July 7, 2024 July 7, 2024 at 8:44:21 PM UTC, edited July 7, 2024 at 8:52:36 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Yes, here are examples:

https://tatoeba.org/fr/sentences/show/12559102

https://tatoeba.org/fr/sentences/show/12559103

Look at the Kabyle translation of each sentence in English, then enter it into Google translations for translation into "Tamazight", and compare: it gives the same Kabyle sentence. It actually only translates into Kabyle even though the name of the language is "Tamazight".

Warwari Warwari July 7, 2024 July 7, 2024 at 10:29:21 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Ce que vient de faire Google est une révolution pour notre langue amazighe. Le projet est ouvert à tout le monde, y compris les Marocains. D'ailleurs plusieurs amazighophones marocains y ont participé (et participent ici sur Tatoeba) et tout le monde est le bien venu pour participer au développement de la traduction automatique amazighe aussi bien sur Tatoeba. Tanemmirt (merci), doemaar14 pour ton message de félicitation.

CK CK July 4, 2024, edited July 4, 2024 July 4, 2024 at 12:35:41 AM UTC, edited July 4, 2024 at 12:54:29 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

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► Number of sentences per language at 2024-07-04 08:58
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► Number of sentences with audio by language 2015-01-22 at 20:18
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► Number of sentences per language 2014-07-11 at 22:56
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mvdstelt mvdstelt June 18, 2024 June 18, 2024 at 6:29:14 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Question:
I try to download (from the 'Browse by List' on the Tatoeba website) a sentence list with language pair French-English from the 'Spread by Tatoebans' list to import in Anki/AnkiDroid.
However, after many tries and many different approaches, also with different languages, I get all the time a list from French (or other language) to Chinese.

Is there a hidden setting somewhere which needs to be set or is this a bug? Thanks.

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AlanF_US AlanF_US June 18, 2024, edited June 18, 2024 June 18, 2024 at 12:41:17 PM UTC, edited June 18, 2024 at 12:42:06 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Short answer: The interface doesn't offer a way to do what you're trying to do, but I wonder whether that's the best way to achieve your goals anyway.

Long answer: You can use "Browse by List" to get you to the "Spread by Tatoebans" list, and you can choose to *display* only the French sentences with their English translations, but when it comes to downloading, you can only download the entire list, which contains sentence pairs from many languages. (Depending on the order in which you download it, the initial pages may mostly contain sentences from a particular language pair, but if you look farther, you'll find other pages as well.) But there are 244,589 French-to-English pairs in that list, and I really have to wonder whether uploading such a list to Anki is the best way to achieve your purpose, especially if that's personal language learning.

You could alternatively load *all* French-to-English sentence pairs by going to "Downloads" at the bottom of any page and clicking on the "Sentence pairs" at the top of the page. But that's an even more enormous list, with 438,000+ sentence pairs.

There's a site that is not part of the Tatoeba Project but that takes data from there and provides it for upload to Anki. It offers a set of French-English pairs that are contributed only by people who self-identify as native speakers. But it still has 232,000+ sentence pairs, and there's a large amount of duplication there. Here's the beginning of the file:

Go. Va !
Go. Marche.
Go. En route !
Go. Bouge !
Hi. Salut !
Hi. Salut.

I doubt that working through these sentences as is would help you much. You would probably need to process them further.

There's a site called Clozemaster that offers cloze ("fill in the missing word") exercises that draws much of its data from Tatoeba but has a lot more infrastructure for language learners. Sentences there have undergone some amount of selection, and are grouped in various ways (for instance, by frequency or by grammatical function of the missing word). It has both a free subscription plan (limited to viewing a certain number of sentences per day) and paid plans (by the year and lifetime).

Other options (not an exhaustive list):

- Find another sentence list here at Tatoeba of strictly French-English pairs and download it.
- Make your own list and download it.

Good luck!

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mvdstelt mvdstelt June 18, 2024 June 18, 2024 at 3:24:14 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Hi AlanF_US,

Thanks for your elaborate answer. I think I will switch back to the App '10,000 sentences' by SCIO for Android. I uses sentences from Tatoeba and produces them in increasing difficulty, with space repetition. Only thing is, it has some missing language pairs. It does has have the French to English pair, but missing others, I am interested in.
https://f-droid.org/en/packages...0000sentences/

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AlanF_US AlanF_US June 18, 2024 June 18, 2024 at 10:25:14 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

That sounds like a good approach, at least for French to English.

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mvdstelt mvdstelt June 19, 2024 June 19, 2024 at 2:04:35 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Thanks.

lbdx lbdx June 19, 2024 June 19, 2024 at 2:56:44 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

If you are an Anki user, this deck might suit your needs: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/181888029

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mvdstelt mvdstelt June 19, 2024 June 19, 2024 at 3:05:23 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Thanks. I am happy that Tatoeba sentences are also available on other websites and sometimes in better 'formats'.
I just started to use Anki. I am not sure if I am a fan of it. But I will see if settings will make it work better for me.

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Augustus Augustus June 20, 2024, edited June 20, 2024 June 20, 2024 at 9:16:09 PM UTC, edited June 20, 2024 at 9:16:49 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Not sure if it is interesting for you or not but I have created a simple vocabulary trainer based on Tatoeba data. See the earlier wall post https://tatoeba.org/en/wall/sho...#message_40302 or try it out on https://augustuskling.github.io/lingo/ (no account required).

In case you find it helpful and need other language pairs, let me know.

sharptoothed sharptoothed June 25, 2024 June 25, 2024 at 3:30:38 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

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ecorralest101 ecorralest101 June 24, 2024 June 24, 2024 at 2:03:36 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Quick question, is there any Bambara speaker who might adopt some orphan sentences?

CK CK June 16, 2024 June 16, 2024 at 7:38:51 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

🍎 Tatoeba.org Native Speakers with Native Language Sentences

Learn their usernames and get links to their sentences.

http://bit.ly/nativespeakers

Updated: 2024-06-15

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CK CK June 16, 2024 June 16, 2024 at 9:23:25 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Since this list is quite long, I made a faster-loading version.

http://bit.ly/nativespeakers50plus

This only lists the 2,833 native speaker usernames with 50 or more native language sentences. The complete list has 8,778 usernames.