yep the issue is known and already fixed, it will reported in next release (which will come soon) :)

no it's not, and to be honnest i don't know if it's requested for chinese (for shanghainese absolutly it will need)
as I used adso also for other works than Tatoeba, and even in tatoeba, my chinese friends as not reported me yet a single sentence with a bad romanization, so I think letting people able to edit chinese will bring more drawbacks than advantages

* if a error is reported, i will notify it to adso guy, and waiting, the patch, we can add an hardcoded pinyin for the sentence

* if a chinese learner show a sentence where a chinese character has a very rare pronunciation, he will maybe correct it , thinking it's wrong, which is not intented
* the chinese romanization use characters with tones, and most of them cannot be input directly, neither with a IME

but after things are never stated for ever, and if we see the amount of errors from adso is too large to be covered by our current way of working, then we will make it editable

what do you think ?

(I only speak about shanghainese and chinese)

ok, agree, will see to make it clearer :)

in fact chinese doesn't have the same issue

the problem with japanese romanization in tatoeba, is that it come from Kakasi, which is no longer a "living project", so we have no way to report the error to someone, as nobody maintain it anymore,

for chinese it comes from adso, develloped by the guy of popupchinese.com, I've regular contact with him, and as he have a strong background in both linguistic and programming, he's tool is really reliable and support by a reliable community
moreover when a bad romnization is found, a new version is released in the day most of the times
so for chinese there's no really problem

for shanghainese yep we will need to make it editable for the simple reason currently there's just no tool do this automatically :p (I'm working wit the adso guy to support shanghainese, but as I don't expect reliable result before a long time, I will make it editable)

for Japanese, I let Trang answers, as I don't speak japanese at all

it is stored in the session,

moreover at the top of each pages you have a menu to change the language interface ;-) with the name of each language in it's own way (français,english, 中文 ...) and when changing it reload the page with the new language, and change the language of your session
and all new pages you want to show will be displayed in this language

Hehe, to be honnest the use of PHP is more about an historical choice ( i would like python too :p)

this have already been discussed ^^

soon, we will add an unlink feature, so you will be able to say "these sentence are no longer translations to each other"

so what to do in your case

in fact you're not supposed to change the B sentence, as long as the sentence is by itself correct, because as you've said, it will make translation of B erroneous too

so you just add a B2 sentence and add a note that the B sentence will need to be unlink to A sentence

it's PHP :p

+1 for the wiki, in fact it's already in the todo list (in fact as for the code, we've also a ticket system for developper)

and you're true it can be great as someone has already talked about tagging
http://tatoeba.org/fre/wall/index#message_200

:p

In fact the code is already available on a svn public repository (with read only access and a AGPL licence (I'm a bit FOSS fanatic), but I don't think we're against code contributors, so write access can be granted for motivated code-contributors)

after why it's not explicity written somewhere on the website, hmm I think (Trang has maybe much relevant reason than me) it's because the project lacks documentation and is in a rewriting / cleaning phase, so we prefer to show a pretty reviewed code ^^

but if you want to take a look, I can give you the repo in private message

maybe in a more general way, we can make something "a la twitter", I mean, when you want a comment to be notify to someone, you just @userNickName, and maybe add a "feed" section in the profile

anyway in future release we plan to review a bit the architecture, add some category in the profile, and make your profile a more central page

what do you think ?

PS: for disowning, I will see with Trang how she planned to handle it (we used to talk about that, but i've a weak memory :( )

for the "fair use", it will not say an absolute "NO, we can't". Because for example France, even without the "fair use" notion, authorize to make small quote of books as soon as the quotation is justified by the scientific, pedagogic information they provide to the work they're incorporated in. But after as we have no lawyer in the team, and to be honnest, other works we find more important to do than to check if we can have a safe "fair use".

Moreover I think it's better in a first time to say "no, no quotes from copyrighted books", to avoid quote from books which can not be considered as a "fair use", rather than playing with fire.

But one day, when Tatoeba will be quite near complete in feature (i.e when we will not have dozen of feature request to code and bugs to fix ^^), I try to see if it's possible or not, and then give you a clear and absolute answer.

so my answer "for the moment we will considered we can't"

no problem if they're in the public domain, even if sometimes it's hard to say, espcially for book which are in public domain after its author death, as the period change from a country to another
but yep, no problem for copyright-free books, or for books you've written yourself, or for those the author give you the right to use extract in Tatoeba :)

Even if it's written in the terms of use, which is supposed to be accepted by everyone who contribute

it is FORBIDDEN to add sentence which come from books / dictionaries, for the simple reason it does not belong to you, and by the way, you can't deliver them under a CC-BY licence

thanks to take care

you could have direcly change the language on one of the sentence you've already added :p

Yep we used to have a discussion about that, and we don't plan to only add languages which have an ISO 639 alpha 3 code, wikipedia as to do this because they have tons of contributors, and an encyclopedia need much more data than just a database of example sentences, so I can understand why they don't prefer to have a lot of articles rather than a lot of dialects or so

but for us, I think as soon as the language is enough different to be not totaly intelligible with an other, then we can add it as a specific language (that's the case for shanghainese for example, the closest ISO 639 code is for Wu language, but the Wu language, for which shanghainese is a "dialect", is divided in some other "dialects" (even i don't really like the word "dialect"), which are not intelligible with shanghainese)

and as I think tatoeba can be used to keep a trace of language, especially endangered ones, I would find really pityfull to not add a small language, only because it has no iso 639-3 code (moreover I've heard iso 639-4 code will be released)

ok no problem for the duplicate sentence, they will be automatically deleted, and an admin will deleted the other one

for the moment (but we will change it soon) you have no way to directly specify the language
But, if Tatoeba misdetects the language, then you simply click on the flag next to the incriminate sentence and set it to the right one. It can be done whenever you want, as soon as the sentence belong to you (like editing)

yep sure you can, anyway even with the capability to search sentence untraslated in language X, it's always better to directly have the possibility to see which sentences is reclaim by others,
(by the way some of our users used to post comment like "if someone could translate it in japanese it would be great", so the need is already there)

@Trang maybe it's related to the biptaste's bug, maybe it's not really closed