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Sentence #2434411

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al_ex_an_der al_ex_an_der May 15, 2013 May 15, 2013 at 10:18:46 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Глупый инностранец спрашивает: Почему нет "И ты есть оно"?

shanghainese shanghainese May 15, 2013 May 15, 2013 at 10:24:12 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Почему, может и есть)))

(Если вопрос подразумевал "почему не Х", то "и есть" - аккуратный перевод 既)

А вообще см. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tat_Tvam_Asi

al_ex_an_der al_ex_an_der May 15, 2013 May 15, 2013 at 10:31:16 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

К сожалению, я ничего не понимаю. (Я не очень умный человек. Я только хитрый.)

sharptoothed sharptoothed May 15, 2013 May 15, 2013 at 10:38:04 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

2al_ex_an_der
Ибо "и ты есть оно" ~ "you are that, too", тогда как "ты и есть оно" ~ "this is you who you are that".

shanghainese shanghainese May 15, 2013 May 15, 2013 at 10:39:13 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

this is you who you are that вынесло мозг)) что-то нечисто.

sharptoothed sharptoothed May 15, 2013 May 15, 2013 at 10:43:12 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Ровно так же и "Тат твам аси" ~ "то ты есть" выносит мозг. :-)

shanghainese shanghainese May 15, 2013 May 15, 2013 at 10:46:40 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

нее, 7 слов выносят мозг дальше, чем 3)))

sharptoothed sharptoothed May 15, 2013 May 15, 2013 at 10:56:51 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Почему-то вспомнилось "азъ есмь воскрешенiе и животъ: вѣруяй въ мя, аще и умретъ, оживетъ" :-)

al_ex_an_der al_ex_an_der May 15, 2013 May 15, 2013 at 11:01:21 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

i'm going try to "translate" into English. ☺

И ты есть оно. = If you talk about "somebody", don't forget that also you are somebody.

DIALOG:
A: Someone should do something about this a long time ago!!!
B: OK, you are right. By the way: What you have done? Or have you forgotten that also you are someone? Someone thats not necessarily someone else; that's you too!

al_ex_an_der al_ex_an_der May 15, 2013 May 15, 2013 at 11:07:58 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Maybe in the heat of haste I was completely wrong about the meaning of "оно", but if so, you have to forgive me: I've allready told you: I'm only a stupid foreigner. ;-)

shanghainese shanghainese May 15, 2013 May 15, 2013 at 11:11:14 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Right, it is more or less what the sentence implies, once dispensed with the "esoterica".

But if you begin the Russian translation with "и ты", the original should somewhere imply "ты тоже", which (тоже) is not the case in this cluster of phrases.

shanghainese shanghainese May 15, 2013 May 15, 2013 at 11:13:29 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

As for the оно - as Vedas demand, it sounds mystifying and all-embracing, you probably did the right thing feeling confusion))

al_ex_an_der al_ex_an_der May 15, 2013 May 15, 2013 at 11:18:28 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

> confusion
My s☺ul has still a long way to g☺.

I still dont understand what is the function of "и"in this entence, wouldn't be "Ты есть Оно". enough?

sharptoothed sharptoothed May 15, 2013 May 15, 2013 at 11:20:33 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

> it sounds mystifying and all-embracing
That's why we can hear the following dialogue often:
- Как оно ничего?
- Да, ничего, вроде.
;-)

al_ex_an_der al_ex_an_der May 15, 2013 May 15, 2013 at 11:21:21 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

And maybe you and sharptoothed wanted to tell me that "и ты" and "ты и" both have the same meaning. Is this the case?

al_ex_an_der al_ex_an_der May 15, 2013 May 15, 2013 at 11:29:07 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

> it sounds mystifying and all-embracing

Мой друг, здесь и сейчас я говорю:
Да, ничего, и всё. И это всё, и ничего. И когда русские говорят: "В конце концов всё будет хорошо", тогда мы индиские знаем слишком хорошо: "В конце концов всё будет ничего".

shanghainese shanghainese May 15, 2013 May 15, 2013 at 11:33:02 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

No, precisely the opposite: и ты means "ты тоже" (you also), while the second should be understood и+есть. и there is a kind of modal particle, often not translated, added purely for dynamics and phonetic elegance.

Ты есть sounds for me like the beginning of Ты есть будешь?

cf.
Ты и есть тот человек, который нам нужен.

sharptoothed sharptoothed May 15, 2013 May 15, 2013 at 11:33:45 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

> Is this the case?
Nope, this is not the case.
"и ты есть" - "и" functions as "too"
"ты и есть" - "и" functions as "exactly"

al_ex_an_der al_ex_an_der May 15, 2013 May 15, 2013 at 11:34:55 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

> Ты и есть тот человек, который нам нужен.
Спасибо за комплимент. :P

al_ex_an_der al_ex_an_der May 15, 2013 May 15, 2013 at 11:36:15 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

И спасибо за всё (и ничего). ;-)

shanghainese shanghainese May 15, 2013 May 15, 2013 at 11:45:52 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

:) с кем бы мы еще про русский язык подумали вслух)))

al_ex_an_der al_ex_an_der May 15, 2013 May 15, 2013 at 11:50:54 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

All about IT. http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/2434498

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Ты и есть Оно.

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