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blay_paul blay_paul September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 11:24:18 PM UTC link Permalink

We need a better way of ensuring new entries get checked by someone. With special emphasis on entries added by new users.

FeuDRenais FeuDRenais September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 9:26:25 PM UTC link Permalink

Tatoeba with Ratings:

Okay, this is probably a really bad idea, but... If we wanted to experiment with what Tatoeba would be like with ratings, we could technically try and simulate it with tags. Simply leave a tag "good + #" or "bad + #" for a thumbs up/down system, or "1-10 + [some string to make it unique]" for a 1-10...

Just a thought.

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blay_paul blay_paul September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 9:38:22 PM UTC link Permalink

No thanks - I think there are enough useless and semi-useless tags already.

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FeuDRenais FeuDRenais September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 10:26:56 PM UTC link Permalink

What do you guys think of this idea?

1 - Atrocious
2 - Terrible
3 - Horrifying
4 - Bad
5 - Not good

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minshirui minshirui September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 11:31:29 PM UTC link Permalink

5

Demetrius Demetrius September 13, 2010 September 13, 2010 at 12:19:28 AM UTC link Permalink

0

Demetrius Demetrius September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 9:44:27 PM UTC link Permalink

+1

Demetrius Demetrius September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 9:53:05 PM UTC link Permalink

IMO, this kind of metadata is not fit for tags.

boracasli boracasli September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 11:42:11 AM UTC link Permalink

My idea: Tatoeba Dictionary will be opened.
In the Tatoeba Project, this dictionary will be used in translation of sentences. Because I'm using google translate as a english-turkish dictionary. But I don't translate sentences with this!
But Tatoeba Dictionary will contain only words, not sentences.
Is it a good idea?

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CK CK September 12, 2010, edited October 26, 2019 September 12, 2010 at 9:33:12 PM UTC, edited October 26, 2019 at 4:10:54 AM UTC link Permalink

[not needed anymore- removed by CK]

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Demetrius Demetrius September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 9:47:36 PM UTC link Permalink

Thank you for the link! ^^

Demetrius Demetrius September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 9:55:23 PM UTC link Permalink

IMHO their license is too restrictive.

sysko sysko September 13, 2010 September 13, 2010 at 1:38:47 AM UTC link Permalink

For words, sure it's not the goal of tatoeba, we're focusing on sentences. I'm discussing with the guys of shtooka (those who provide us audio) as their first focus was too record words, and they're on the way to extand more the "website"/"works over the internet" part, maybe they will be the tatoeba of words ?

Pharamp Pharamp September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 11:57:46 AM UTC link Permalink

We have Wiktionary for this purpose, don't we?

But please have a good behaviour in Wiktionary - or you will be blocked soon and permanently as a vandal.

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Demetrius Demetrius September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 9:05:01 PM UTC link Permalink

Wictionary is hard to edit for an average user.

It’s hard to find a balance between a computer-parsable dictionary and a easy-to-edit for an average human being. The Wiktionary is *much* *more* *complicated* than Tatoeba.

Aslo, although it’s exportable and parseable, but I haven’t seen any program that presents the exported data in a form of a bilingual dictionary.

All in all, I believe the Wiki engine is not fit for creating dictionaries.



I think we’ll run into the problem of a dictionary later:
1. Now we have some tags [verb_of_motion, Genitive] that are better fit as tags for words, not for sentences. => We need tags for words.
2. We can’t tag all the words, or force users to do it, since it’s too much work. => We need a morphology analyser.
3. Morphology data about the words need the dictionary. Wiktionary is hard to edit for an average user and rarely exported. => We need something more lightweight.

So I believe one day something like Tatoeba dictionary will emerge.

Also, there is a problem: what language edition of Wiktionary to choose? The explanations are different, but the translations in all Wiktionaries in fact duplicate each other.

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Pharamp Pharamp September 13, 2010 September 13, 2010 at 6:07:11 PM UTC link Permalink

@Demetrius
I don't think you know what you said ;)

kisses

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Demetrius Demetrius September 14, 2010 September 14, 2010 at 2:17:02 PM UTC link Permalink

Now I don’t know if I know what I’ve said.

ö (It’s my new way of writing :o)

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FeuDRenais FeuDRenais September 14, 2010 September 14, 2010 at 5:24:09 PM UTC link Permalink

^ö^

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Demetrius Demetrius September 14, 2010 September 14, 2010 at 5:37:17 PM UTC link Permalink

Cool!

boracasli boracasli September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 9:20:03 PM UTC link Permalink

You're right. Is my idea good?
1 - Terrible
2 - Bad
3 - Average
4 - Good
5 - Perfect

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FeuDRenais FeuDRenais September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 9:23:04 PM UTC link Permalink

Haha... can one person vote multiple times?

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boracasli boracasli September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 10:53:40 PM UTC link Permalink

I allow to vote multiple times to all users.

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FeuDRenais FeuDRenais September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 11:00:33 PM UTC link Permalink

I vote 5 an infinite number of times! This idea is infinitely perfect.

boracasli boracasli September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 11:43:11 AM UTC link Permalink

And Tatoeba Project's logo is green, Tatoeba Dictionary's logo color will be selected by administrators.

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Demetrius Demetrius September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 8:54:37 PM UTC link Permalink

By the way, there is a secret copy of Tatoeba. ;) It is blue.

boracasli boracasli September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 8:28:27 PM UTC link Permalink

I don't use this Wall,
Please a chat excludes freenode.

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boracasli boracasli September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 8:28:55 PM UTC link Permalink

Or I won't and don't use wall as chatroom.

a_mastan2002 a_mastan2002 September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 8:24:29 PM UTC link Permalink

We need to make sure you are human.
What are the five first letters of your email?

rafieyan rafieyan September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 6:32:53 PM UTC link Permalink

hi,
I am here to learn

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Pharamp Pharamp September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 6:44:55 PM UTC link Permalink

welcome :D

boracasli boracasli September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 12:00:46 PM UTC link Permalink

http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/509316
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/509317

please tag them as lithuanian

really no gtranslate 100% my translate
only two lithuanian sentences in my brain.

boracasli boracasli September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 10:07:17 AM UTC link Permalink

http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/508252
please the first letter must be capital
and change the flag to English

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Pharamp Pharamp September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 11:54:36 AM UTC link Permalink

We MUST wait TWO weeks before edit anything.

The wall isn't a webchat, stop to write things anywhere.

Demetrius Demetrius September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 9:57:22 AM UTC link Permalink

@sysko:
What have you done to the Uzbek transliteration?

Хитойға қарағанда, Швейцария бир тарк этилган қишлоқ бўлади.
Xitoyg'a qarag'anda, SHvyeyтсariya bir tark etilgan qishloq bo'ladi.
(Ш → SH, not Sh; е → ye in the middle of words, тс is not converted into ц, apostrophe is typographically incorrect: ' is used to separate s'h, ‘ is used in g‘ and o‘)
And it should be:
Xitoyg‘a qarag‘anda, Shveysariya bir tark etilgan qishloq bo‘ladi.

And the script I’ve sent you (test it at http://uyghur.webatu.com/uzb/ ) DOES IT CORRECTLY. :angry:

You haven’t “optimized” it by removing the Cyr→Lat array and using the only one array, have you? >:E

boracasli boracasli September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 9:09:32 AM UTC link Permalink

http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/508783
delete this word! Because this is not sentence

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Demetrius Demetrius September 12, 2010 September 12, 2010 at 9:44:07 AM UTC link Permalink

It will be deleted, thank you.