Vicious kids are torpedoeing Tatoeba...

-directtrue/alias borocasli who is a mischievous turkish boy created hundreds of sentences translated by robots (this is the umpteenth time he does that)
-He spammed my personal e-mail account because I protested.
-He created fake accounts using other contributor's pseudos and identity.

-I unmasked rene1596 as being a fake French national posing as a real one, see http://tatoeba.org/eng/wall/sho...5#message_8395
FeuDRenais will probably also exert his revenge for that with some new mischievous trick.

I hope the admin can find new ways to deter such behaviours.
My twopence:
- the speed of translation/insertion of sentences should be analysed to automatically block users who insert sentences too fast from robots (outside of normal authorised imports)
- The number of languages in which a single user inserts sentences over a period of time should be automatically analysed to block users who insert sentences in many different languages in a quik time.
- There should be a system of peers that guarantee the nativeness/proficiency of people in the languages to stop people who pose as natives when they are not. There should thus be 2 types of accounts : certified native/proficient and non certified.
Non certified accounts' sentences would be filtered, so that other non certified accounts would not see them so they would not translate them (they would not appear on the home page). Once a non-certified accounts gets certified, his sentences are un-filtered. Certified users can still see all sentences.

CK be careful when deleting his sentences, I think he has adopted sentences that had no owner from some languages too.

don't you have a briefer way to ban an account and iteratively delete its sentences?
- D0RENDA
- SHANGAlNESE
- MUlRlEL
- Tranq
- VortaruIo
- SYSK0
- sacredceltlc
- youlost

please leave me alone, i will leave you alone

Oh my... :/
His newest sock puppet name is "directtrue".
I hope there is (or will be) an easy way of deleting that user and his additions to the database at once.

Hi, Pierre and welcome! http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/547011

Many contributors choose indeed to copy selected sentences from books but this has many failings:

1) Book translations are sometimes inaccurate. Books are not translated on a per sentence basis, generally and book translators also have their failings.
The best example is the Bible which is absolutely full of successive dramatic translation errors that have shaped modern religions.

2) Importing sentences from scanned books (from Google Books, for instance), also imports scanning errors, and there are a lot (absence of accents, wrong split of words at the end of lines, etc.)

3) Books do not reflect spoken language, in general.

Also, translating sentences is an enjoyable form of art and a good sport for the brain.

You may read more from the project's creator here http://blog.tatoeba.org/2010/02...n-tatoeba.html

Le compteur est redescendu à 209 mille et des brouettes...ça va ça vient...Comme disait Raymond Devos, le flux et le reflux me font marrer.

Well, there is a problem with determinig who is ‘native’... With my parents, I speak Russian (though heavily influenced by Belarusian) and Ukrainian (though heavily influenced by Russian). In the end, I turn up a native of Belarusian in the list... Well, I don’t really mind... ^^"

auf was beziehst du dich hier?

Добро пожаловать здесь! Как можно помогать тебе?

Добрий вечір!

Дуже гарне речення!

Але Ви додали його на сайт не як речення, а повідомлення на «стіні», а тут його ніхто не зможе перекласти и воно скоро загубиться.

Щоб додати речення, оберіть «Contribute» (якщо в Вас російський інтерфейс, там буде написано «Добавить», польскою—«Dodawaj») в меню нагорі, а потім оберіть «Add sentences» (російською «Добавить предложение», польскою—«Dodawaj zdania»).

Ви, напевне, вже помітили, що мову всього сайта можна вибрати угорі зправа. Україньский переклад інтерфейсу ще не зроблено (якщо Ви захочете допомогти з перекладом, можу пояснити, як), але російський та польский вже є.

You should rephrase your note "I haven't included anyone as a native speaker of languages that don't have native speakers: Esperanto, Klingon, Latin, Toki Pona, Lojban, Volapük,... ", because at least Esperanto has native speakers, of course. I'm not aware of anyone of them working here on Tatoeba, but there are one or two thousands of them on the planet.

But they wouldn't appear on the list, perhaps, as they're all bilingual and since you only take into account *one* native language, you'd probably choose the other one (which usually *is* the stronger language for that person).

But your note makes it look as if Esperanto had no native speakers.

it's probably quicker to go directly to this link for unidentified languages http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentence...ne/indifferent

And it's normal that sentences are created with unidentified language when the language has not yet been created. It's the normal recommended procedure.
Most recent creations are Sorbian.