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jms jms November 26, 2023, edited November 26, 2023 November 26, 2023 at 11:47:38 AM UTC, edited November 26, 2023 at 11:52:17 AM UTC link Permalink

Can I search for a specific string in a translation? I understand I can search for a specific word but I could not find a way to limit the result for translations that contain a specific string.

For example, If I search English word "car" and I want to translate it into Spanish it gives me sentences with "carro", "coche", "auto". How do I limit the result of the search only to "carro"?

Thanks, JMS

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CK CK November 26, 2023, edited November 26, 2023 November 26, 2023 at 12:07:30 PM UTC, edited November 26, 2023 at 12:13:31 PM UTC link Permalink

Have you tried something like this?

"something tom wants"
https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...m+wants%22&to=

Or, ...

=something << =Tom << =wants
https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...++%3Dwants&to=

Showing results by "relevance" should put the exact string matches at the top, followed by other matches.

Clicking the "Help" above the search query input field at the top of the page may give you other ideas of things you can try.

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jms jms November 26, 2023 November 26, 2023 at 12:38:37 PM UTC link Permalink

Thanks, I will look at it.

jms jms November 26, 2023, edited November 26, 2023 November 26, 2023 at 1:01:41 PM UTC, edited November 26, 2023 at 1:02:13 PM UTC link Permalink

The second one is very useful to me. Thank you. For, example with this
=with << =abandon
I can find sentences where "abandon" is a substantive.
It still requires little bit of guessing, anticipating and knowing what binds to what in a sentence but it is much better.

brauchinet brauchinet November 26, 2023 November 26, 2023 at 12:14:55 PM UTC link Permalink

I wonder why you don't just search for Spanish "carro" in the first place. That would give you Spanish sentences with "carro" and their translation into what language you choose.

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jms jms November 26, 2023, edited November 26, 2023 November 26, 2023 at 12:35:57 PM UTC, edited November 26, 2023 at 12:36:21 PM UTC link Permalink

I could do that. But it is a problem if "carro" has more meanings in English and I just want "car" meaning and the results are flooded with hundreds of variations of sentences like "Tom is pushing the cart", "He is pushing the cart", "She is pushing the cart", "The cart is pushed", "They are pushing the cart" etc.

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AlanF_US AlanF_US November 26, 2023 November 26, 2023 at 3:37:41 PM UTC link Permalink

You would have more trouble finding the "cart" translation than the "car" translation, given that there are fewer than 20 sentences where "carro" is translated as "cart" and many more where it's translated as "car". But let's imagine that there are lots of sentences of the form you mentioned that refer to someone pushing a cart. There is an additional way to make it easier to filter out unwanted sentences: Use the "-" prefix before a word that you don't want. This only works for the source language, not the target language, but chances are that you could filter out sentences containing the forms of an unwanted word in the target language by filtering out sentences containing a corresponding word in the source language.

If you did find a sequence of sentences of the type you mentioned with only minor differences ("He is pushing the cart", "She is pushing the cart", etc.), and it was so long that it was driving out the other sentences you wanted, you could specify that you want the sentences listed in random order rather than the default, which tends to put short sentences first. I generally prefer random order anyway since it displays a more interesting and diverse set of sentences.

CK CK November 26, 2023, edited November 26, 2023 November 26, 2023 at 11:06:09 PM UTC, edited November 26, 2023 at 11:14:44 PM UTC link Permalink

Here are several other types of searches you could try.

► Simple exact match search.

Spanish sentences with: =carro (320 results)

https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...query=%3Dcarro


► Advanced search (114 results)

Spanish sentences with: =carro
Limited to those linked to English with audio

https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...rd_count_min=1


► Advanced search (48 results)

Spanish sentences with: =carro, and with audio
Limited to those linked to English with audio
Results shown in a random order.

https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...t&trans_to=eng


► Advanced search (318 results)

Spanish sentences with: =carro
Not yet translated into Czech

https://tatoeba.org/en/sentence...query=%3Dcarro

Augustus Augustus November 23, 2023 November 23, 2023 at 10:32:09 PM UTC link Permalink

Updates to vocabulary trainer

Back in August I posted here about a simple vocabulary trainer, see https://tatoeba.org/en/wall/sho...message_40151, which has since received a few improvements. Hence I want to mention some.

Changes:
* Audio can now be read-out after confirming answers (optional, audio is generated by a text-to-speech engine).
* Nicer and finer display of learning progress.
* Lessons can be based on Tateoba lists (I'm using the lists containing "Lingo Lesson" in their name).
* More lessons (thematic group of sentences).
* Dynamic categories have more useful filters and an explanation text.
* IPA transcription shown in exercises (automatically generated, select languages only for now).
* Word suggestions in typing exercises initially hidden for learned sentences.
* Information about wrong answers highlights which words were wrong.
* Lessons don't auto-abort after 10 sentences but are endless, now.
* User interface available in English and German (depending on browser settings).
* Works offline, installable as PWA if desired.
* Each course displays list of users that contributed sentences.

Still the same:
* All sentences based on Tatoeba's exports.
* Exercises request picking correct translations or building them from a bunch of given words.
* Available language courses depending on my own interests + requests I've received in the past.
* Source code available at https://github.com/AugustusKling/lingo/
* Implemented as a static website that runs by simply opening https://augustuskling.github.io/lingo/
* There is no user accounts.
* All learning progress is stored in browser's local storage, no data sent to a server.

Other notes:
* Manual steps for course updates are gone. Course builder takes source and target language and does the rest automatically, see readme in source code if you want to run it.
* Updates to course content and application code are irregular.
* Most translations on Tatoeba seem good and comments about mistakes are acted on quickly. I've yet to understand the interplay between tags, lists and reviews that all seem to try to capture sentence quality in their own ways.

Thank you for providing the sentences here, either by contributing translations or keeping things running in the background.

Whoever wants to try the vocabulary trainer can do so by opening https://augustuskling.github.io/lingo/

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AlanF_US AlanF_US November 24, 2023 November 24, 2023 at 10:12:27 PM UTC link Permalink

It looks good, but I was confused by the fact that the user interface is translated partially into German and partially into English. If you're not going to provide separate translations into a variety of languages (and I could see why that would not be feasible in the beginning stages of your project), I think you should start by picking a single language for the user interface. This would also make it easier to produce translations in the future.

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Augustus Augustus November 25, 2023 November 25, 2023 at 11:02:58 PM UTC link Permalink

Thanks for your feedback. The lesson tiles were displayed in the course languages (if available) instead of the UI languages. I get why this was confusing and changed it to consistently use the UI language only in future.

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AlanF_US AlanF_US November 26, 2023 November 26, 2023 at 3:13:31 PM UTC link Permalink

I think that's a good change.

I see that you're using the International Phonetic Alphabet underneath words to indicate their pronunciation. While there are advantages to doing this, I believe that many of your users will not know the IPA, and it takes a fair amount of effort to learn. Furthermore, for a language like Russian, where the pronunciation can almost always be determined from the spelling plus position of stress, a pronunciation in IPA is overkill, and you'd be better off just using the regular spelling plus an acute mark over the vowel in the stressed syllable. For languages where there isn't even a question as to which syllable is stressed, providing any pronunciation simply adds visual clutter.

sharptoothed sharptoothed November 26, 2023 November 26, 2023 at 6:54:04 AM UTC link Permalink

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tatoebashrek tatoebashrek November 23, 2023 November 23, 2023 at 4:22:48 PM UTC link Permalink

On the FAQ page, the link on the side menu panel "I would like to use Tatoeba's data for my project. How do I give proper attribution?" does not work properly. The URL changes to https://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/art...to-use-tatoeba but the page does not position itself in the relevant section.

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AlanF_US AlanF_US November 24, 2023, edited November 24, 2023 November 24, 2023 at 12:07:06 AM UTC, edited November 24, 2023 at 9:41:25 PM UTC link Permalink

Thanks for pointing that out. I changed the title of the section from "I would like to use Tatoeba's data for my project. How do I give proper attribution?" to "I would like to use data from Tatoeba for my project. How do I give proper attribution?" and the link started working correctly. I also saw this behavior with another section title. I think the wiki software may not be handling apostrophes correctly.

maaster maaster November 19, 2023 November 19, 2023 at 7:05:22 PM UTC link Permalink

Ich fürchte, wir haben wegen Politik einen guten Kollegen verloren, der die zweitmeisten Sätze und Übersetzungen zum ungarischen Korpus hinzugefügt hat. Und das Problem, das wir nicht wirklich einen ung. Korpuspfleger haben, wurde nicht gelöst.
Na ja, alleine, dies begeistert weiterzumachen, findet man wenigere Motivation.

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Pfirsichbaeumchen Pfirsichbaeumchen November 19, 2023 November 19, 2023 at 11:08:39 PM UTC link Permalink

Ich schicke Dir eine private Nachricht.

Cabo Cabo November 21, 2023 November 21, 2023 at 8:56:37 PM UTC link Permalink

Hm?

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Pfirsichbaeumchen Pfirsichbaeumchen November 21, 2023, edited November 21, 2023 November 21, 2023 at 10:49:40 PM UTC, edited November 21, 2023 at 10:50:53 PM UTC link Permalink

Är allt som det ska, Snusmumriken? 🙂

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