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About vocabulary requests: The contribute menu above has an item titled 'Add vocabulary request'. Can we change the label on the item?
First, all the other items on the menu are in plural ('Add sentences', 'Translate sentences' etc.), so I'd like to change the item in plural form, too. Second, when you click on the said 'Add vocabulary request', you will be directed to existing vocabulary requests page. To me that suggests that through this menu your are primarily supposed to *fulfill* the requests, not to add new requests. So, I suggest the label on the menu item should rather be 'Fulfill vocabulary requests' (or if space is not a problem 'Fulfill/add vocabulary requests'.
Edit. Or can we have both items in the menu? 'Fulfill vocabulary requests' and 'Add vocabulary requests'. Or is it too confusing?
It would also be nice if we could download these vocabulary requests.
At least for the English, there are so many very, very low frequency words on the list that it would be nice to be able to compare the list with a word frequency list, and focus on adding sentences that included the higher-frequency requested words that more people would find useful.
@CK note that you can already download a list of English vocabulary searched on Tatoeba here: https://bit.ly/3uAXv9w
For more details: https://github.com/LBeaudoux/ta...common-queries
What I meant was the "requested vocabulary" list.
This: https://tatoeba.org/en/vocabula..._sentences/eng
"searched vocabulary" and "requested vocabulary" are closely related though...
This is the kind of thing that I thought might be useful.
http://tatoeba.ueuo.com/requested.html
Requested English Words - Sorted by NGSL & Frequency
I manually downloaded all the English word request pages, and harvested the data I needed to create this. If the data were easily accessible, similar lists could be created for other languages, too.
@CK I have trouble understanding how you count the sentences that contain a given word.
For example, it is written that only one sentence contains "spot" whereas a search for "spot" on Tatoeba shows 556 results and "=spot" 331 results.
Could you please explain to us how you obtain your figures?
I took the numbers from these pages.
https://tatoeba.org/en/vocabula..._sentences/eng
That set of pages counts only exact matches.
This kind of search: =spot
Also, maybe orphan sentences are ignored.
I made the query the default "fuzzy" search and also included orphan sentences in the query.
@CK Indeed, it seems that Tatoeba returns buggy counts in the vocabulary section for "spot", "spread", spring" and "square". It's annoying because these words end up at the top of your list by mistake.
I think the programmer(s) of that part of the website assumed that people would be making requests for exact matches of words and not variations of the words or other words in the same word families.. In other words, they likely thought that when someone requested "stair", they wanted a sentence example with the singular word "stair" rather than the plural "stairs." I don't think it's a bug. I think they planned it that way.
@Ck I am well aware that the counts in the vocabulary section correspond to the exact matches. But as you can check by yourself, the exact occurrences values for "=spot", "=spread" "=spring" and "=square' are wrong. It's as if these words were treated as special words by the search engine.
Here's an (old) message on how the count for wanted vocabulary is updated.
Maybe it's different now, though.
https://tatoeba.org/de/wall/sho...#message_26691
** Tatominer **
Thanks to Yorwba, shekitten, AlanF_US, Metsis, ZegPhig, brauchinet, manufrutos, Guybrush88, tsp_2, Johannes_S, DJ_Saidez, wolfgangth, Cabo, Pfirsichbaeumchen, Micsmithel, maaster, Esperantostern, RobinvanderVliet, Ergulis, Shishir, carlosalberto and bmeecgkan for their contributions that helped move the project forward this week.
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Csak gondoljatok bele, írtok egy hozzászólást a falra, és pár percre rá kaptok egy reklámot levélben. Viszont azt nem mondhatjátok el, mi állt a levélben, merthogy személyes üzenet, és ráadásul az tiltja le a kommenteteket, aki küldte a levelet, benne a saját dolgainak a reklámozásával. Ugye milyen jó?
Én imádom, ti is?
Milyen fennforgás forgott fenn?
A kétbetűs nagyisten megdobált levélben linkekkel, amit nem kértem, és tudod mi volt a kiváltó oka? ez itt:
https://tatoeba.org/en/wall/sho...#message_37134
"It's an immense amount of sentences, and the majority of them not as short as Amastan's or CK's sentences today...",
Tudod mi volt a szövege? Hogy: úgy látszik, érdeklődsz a hosszú mondatok iránt, itt egy lista....
Természetesen csak a saját listáival :), saját mondataival :D, saját weblapjával :,D jött, meg szípen megírta, milyen nagy király ő, hogy átnézte a tanaka korpuszos cuccokat kemény munka árán, hónapokon át, hősiesen, a japán hozzájárulók meg nem rendelkeznek ilyen eposzba illő motivációval.
A levél két darabját felírtam a falra, aszt leszedte.
Valami eféle fennforgás foganatosítására gondoltam, hogy fenn forog fennforgásügyileg. Poszeidon hulláma elmosta a hajót, melynek haragja korbácsoltatta azt, melyet gerjesztettél vala.
Szebben nem is mondhattam volna. :)
Joo, CK haluaa vaikuttaa varjoista, ei keskustella julkisesti siitä, millaisia lauseita tietokannassa olisi hyvä olla.
私は約束した時間に行ったにもかかわらず彼はいなかった
どこにつけたかったんですか？
@DJ_Saidez
日本の方だと思うので、個別で対応しますね。
もし、違うようだったらあとでご連絡するのでその時は、よろしくお願いします。
操作をお間違えになられていると思うので、プライベートメッセージ(PM)をお送りしました。お時間のある時にご覧になってください。
** Orphan Sentence Stats **
http://tatoeba.ueuo.com/orphans.html
I've included links for those interested in browsing and adopting sentences in their own native languages.
[EDIT 2021-05-25] I apologize for posting this information. I didn't think it would start an argument. It was just a by-product of gathering the data for http://bit.ly/nativespeakers . I thought some members would find this interesting and perhaps encourage some to look at sentences and adopt them.
Sorry.
According to these statistics, Japanese is the least reliable language on Tatoeba, since it’s the least owned, if ownership is to be interpreted as approval...
Which is why the few active users are always working on sifting through these sentences.
But it’s worrying because, at the beginning, Japanese used to be pivotal on Tatoeba...
It might be that the level of Japanese on Tatoeba is so poor that it fails to attract natives or rebukes them...
And what point are you trying to make with this?
It's an immense amount of sentences, and the majority of them not as short as Amastan's or CK's sentences today. It's hard to get trough all of them, takes much time, and you can't just rewrite them, they have English translations. Japanese contributors are checking these sentences every day. 2-3 Japanese user contributes daily. (Japanese has 200k sentences, owned half of it.)
3-4 active Hungarian user visit the site and make visible changes daily. (Hungarian has 300k sentences) Do we have so poor Hungarian sentences that doesn't attract more natives?
The difference is that most hungarian sentences are owned. Ownership is key since it entrusts the owner and makes him responsible for potential issues.
If nobody wants to adopt the Japanese sentences, it’s probably because they are of poor quality, or maybe the adoption concept was not properly explained to Japanese reviewers. In any case, something should be done to fill the gap.
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((First of all, I'd like to thank Rocío (Shishir) a lot for her tremendous help and encouragement on this task. She has been a great friend and adviser for me :) )
Hello, everyone! How are you doing? I hope you're doing great.
A friend of mine invited me to join Polyglot Gathering 2021 - https://www.polyglotgathering.com/2021/en/, an event which will bring many polyglots from all over the world (https://www.polyglotgathering.c...?tz=UTC-03:00) for a lot of debates, panels, language learning (crash courses) and interactions.
This year I'll talk about Tatoeba (Using Tatoeba.org to preserve your language, learning and helping others to learn them - https://www.polyglotgathering.c...C%C2%B100:00). This is the way I found to promote this website and perhaps bring some new active members (as for now, almost 1,000 people subscribed to this event).
I'm preparing a presentation - https://docs.google.com/present...delayms=10000. (still working on it but you can already have an idea of what I'm going to talk about). I intend to show myself using Tatoeba and doing some basic stuff like using the advanced search, creating lists, tagging sentences, etc and I'll also present the video posted here - https://tatoeba.org/eng/about.
Any feedback is welcome (Thanks Trang for this idea)
It's blocked to the public so we have to request access to the presentation, don't know if this is on purpose
And this is a great idea! It's awesome that you're using this opportunity to give Tatoeba more publicity
Hope you enjoy your time :D
Oh, thanks for letting me know. I forgot that.
» https://docs.google.com/present...e&delayms=5000 (public version)
Show them an example sentence, too. (what is English and translated at least five different languages, eg. German, French, Spanish, Chinese, Japanese, - these are some of the popular languages in Europe and in the US)
If you don't find one, you can write one with a particular message and we translate it. :)
Thanks for your suggestion.
I intend to show them when I share my screen while I use Tatoeba.
This is great, Ricardo! Thanks for being our ambassador!
That's such an honor! :)
> "... English and translated at least five different languages" (Cabo's idea)
Here is a list that might help you easily find such sentences.
https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc.../show/7055/und
English Sentences Linked to More Than 9 Languages (Updated Feb. 2020) - Over 40,000 Sentences - List 7055
Note that you can search for sentences on this list that are not yet translated into your own native language with the following advanced search. Just click the "search" button.
https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...roved=no&user=
This search template is set up for Portuguese native speakers. Others may easily change the "Portuguese" setting to their own native languages.
Indeed. Perhaps I'll use this list while I show my screen during the presentation. Thank you!
I've updated my presentation - https://docs.google.com/present...&delayms=10000
What a great idea! I am sure you will do great. You can inspire the audience with your love and dedication to the project.
My dear friends,
I'm glad I could upload my talk about Tatoeba on Polyglot Gathering - https://youtu.be/1R6GN_NuvM4
I know I made a lot of mistakes, but I hope you like it.
** Stats & Graphs **
Tatoeba Stats, Graphs & Charts have been updated:
https://tatoeba.j-langtools.com/allstats/
thanks
** Tatoeba.org Native Speakers **
http://bit.ly/nativespeakers
Find out who the native speakers are.
The sentence counts are based on data from the May 22, 2021 sentences-detailed.csv file.
6,870 = Native Speaker Usernames with Native Speaker Sentences
154 = The Number of Languages with Identified Native Speaker Contributions
7,542,532 = The Number of Sentences These Members Own in Their Native Languages
Do we have any list of projects that use Tatoeba's data?
CK has this list http://a4esl.org/temporary/tatoeba/links.html
That's a good list. We also link to it from our "Projects using Tatoeba" page:
https://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/art...using-tatoeba#
I noticed that one of the sites listed on CK's page, namely lingocracy.com, is no longer active.
Here are a few sites that are not listed on CK's page.
https://commonvoice.mozilla.org/
https://www.linguno.com/
https://www.heylingo.com/
https://bravolol.com/
How do you know Heylingo and Bravolol use Tatoeba's data? Even in the finest fine print I could find, they don't mention Tatoeba at all.
I found a lot of sentences from Tatoeba on their website/app, but I forgot they don't give proper attribution.
I've updated my page of links to include these links and also removed the clickable link to lingocracy.com that AlanF_US reported as being offline.
Here is the short, easy-to-remember URL.
http://bit.ly/tatoebalinks
** Tatominer **
Thanks to MarijnKp, shekitten, Micsmithel, mraz, AlanF_US, aldar, Silja, maaster, Guybrush88, Ergulis, Johannes_S, slo_oth, Nylez, manufrutos, megamanenm, ddnktr, Yorwba, GrizaLeono, Cabo, Pfirsichbaeumchen, jose76c, danepo and deniko for their contributions that helped move the project forward this week.
Check out the most searched words that lack sentences or translations in your language at https://tatominer.netlify.app.