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Silja Silja 22 days ago, edited 21 days ago May 30, 2021 at 3:36:52 AM UTC, edited May 30, 2021 at 11:55:56 AM UTC link Permalink

About vocabulary requests: The contribute menu above has an item titled 'Add vocabulary request'. Can we change the label on the item?

First, all the other items on the menu are in plural ('Add sentences', 'Translate sentences' etc.), so I'd like to change the item in plural form, too. Second, when you click on the said 'Add vocabulary request', you will be directed to existing vocabulary requests page. To me that suggests that through this menu your are primarily supposed to *fulfill* the requests, not to add new requests. So, I suggest the label on the menu item should rather be 'Fulfill vocabulary requests' (or if space is not a problem 'Fulfill/add vocabulary requests'.

Edit. Or can we have both items in the menu? 'Fulfill vocabulary requests' and 'Add vocabulary requests'. Or is it too confusing?

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CK CK 22 days ago, edited 22 days ago May 30, 2021 at 3:52:41 AM UTC, edited May 30, 2021 at 4:20:36 AM UTC link Permalink

It would also be nice if we could download these vocabulary requests.

At least for the English, there are so many very, very low frequency words on the list that it would be nice to be able to compare the list with a word frequency list, and focus on adding sentences that included the higher-frequency requested words that more people would find useful.

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lbdx lbdx 21 days ago, edited 21 days ago May 30, 2021 at 8:54:45 AM UTC, edited May 30, 2021 at 8:58:31 AM UTC link Permalink

@CK note that you can already download a list of English vocabulary searched on Tatoeba here: https://bit.ly/3uAXv9w

For more details: https://github.com/LBeaudoux/ta...common-queries

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CK CK 21 days ago May 30, 2021 at 9:00:05 AM UTC link Permalink

What I meant was the "requested vocabulary" list.
This: https://tatoeba.org/en/vocabula..._sentences/eng

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lbdx lbdx 21 days ago May 30, 2021 at 9:07:41 AM UTC link Permalink

"searched vocabulary" and "requested vocabulary" are closely related though...

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CK CK 20 days ago June 1, 2021 at 4:37:51 AM UTC link Permalink

This is the kind of thing that I thought might be useful.

http://tatoeba.ueuo.com/requested.html
Requested English Words - Sorted by NGSL & Frequency

I manually downloaded all the English word request pages, and harvested the data I needed to create this. If the data were easily accessible, similar lists could be created for other languages, too.

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lbdx lbdx 20 days ago June 1, 2021 at 6:31:56 AM UTC link Permalink

@CK I have trouble understanding how you count the sentences that contain a given word.

For example, it is written that only one sentence contains "spot" whereas a search for "spot" on Tatoeba shows 556 results and "=spot" 331 results.

Could you please explain to us how you obtain your figures?

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CK CK 20 days ago June 1, 2021 at 6:37:46 AM UTC link Permalink

I took the numbers from these pages.
https://tatoeba.org/en/vocabula..._sentences/eng

That set of pages counts only exact matches.
This kind of search: =spot
Also, maybe orphan sentences are ignored.
I made the query the default "fuzzy" search and also included orphan sentences in the query.

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lbdx lbdx 19 days ago June 1, 2021 at 7:07:22 AM UTC link Permalink

@CK Indeed, it seems that Tatoeba returns buggy counts in the vocabulary section for "spot", "spread", spring" and "square". It's annoying because these words end up at the top of your list by mistake.

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CK CK 19 days ago, edited 19 days ago June 1, 2021 at 7:16:25 AM UTC, edited June 1, 2021 at 7:18:08 AM UTC link Permalink

I think the programmer(s) of that part of the website assumed that people would be making requests for exact matches of words and not variations of the words or other words in the same word families.. In other words, they likely thought that when someone requested "stair", they wanted a sentence example with the singular word "stair" rather than the plural "stairs." I don't think it's a bug. I think they planned it that way.

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lbdx lbdx 19 days ago June 1, 2021 at 7:32:24 AM UTC link Permalink

@Ck I am well aware that the counts in the vocabulary section correspond to the exact matches. But as you can check by yourself, the exact occurrences values for "=spot", "=spread" "=spring" and "=square' are wrong. It's as if these words were treated as special words by the search engine.

brauchinet brauchinet 19 days ago, edited 19 days ago June 1, 2021 at 7:22:21 AM UTC, edited June 1, 2021 at 7:22:30 AM UTC link Permalink

Here's an (old) message on how the count for wanted vocabulary is updated.
Maybe it's different now, though.

https://tatoeba.org/de/wall/sho...#message_26691

lbdx lbdx 22 days ago May 29, 2021 at 8:24:01 AM UTC link Permalink

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Check out the most searched words that lack sentences or translations in your language at https://tatominer.netlify.app.

Cabo Cabo 26 days ago May 25, 2021 at 7:50:01 AM UTC link Permalink

Csak gondoljatok bele, írtok egy hozzászólást a falra, és pár percre rá kaptok egy reklámot levélben. Viszont azt nem mondhatjátok el, mi állt a levélben, merthogy személyes üzenet, és ráadásul az tiltja le a kommenteteket, aki küldte a levelet, benne a saját dolgainak a reklámozásával. Ugye milyen jó?
Én imádom, ti is?

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maaster maaster 26 days ago May 25, 2021 at 12:58:09 PM UTC link Permalink

Milyen fennforgás forgott fenn?

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Cabo Cabo 26 days ago, edited 26 days ago May 25, 2021 at 1:30:41 PM UTC, edited May 25, 2021 at 1:31:20 PM UTC link Permalink

A kétbetűs nagyisten megdobált levélben linkekkel, amit nem kértem, és tudod mi volt a kiváltó oka? ez itt:
https://tatoeba.org/en/wall/sho...#message_37134
"It's an immense amount of sentences, and the majority of them not as short as Amastan's or CK's sentences today...",
Tudod mi volt a szövege? Hogy: úgy látszik, érdeklődsz a hosszú mondatok iránt, itt egy lista....
Természetesen csak a saját listáival :), saját mondataival :D, saját weblapjával :,D jött, meg szípen megírta, milyen nagy király ő, hogy átnézte a tanaka korpuszos cuccokat kemény munka árán, hónapokon át, hősiesen, a japán hozzájárulók meg nem rendelkeznek ilyen eposzba illő motivációval.

A levél két darabját felírtam a falra, aszt leszedte.

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maaster maaster 26 days ago May 25, 2021 at 4:01:30 PM UTC link Permalink

Valami eféle fennforgás foganatosítására gondoltam, hogy fenn forog fennforgásügyileg. Poszeidon hulláma elmosta a hajót, melynek haragja korbácsoltatta azt, melyet gerjesztettél vala.

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Cabo Cabo 26 days ago May 25, 2021 at 6:34:44 PM UTC link Permalink

Szebben nem is mondhattam volna. :)

Thanuir Thanuir 24 days ago May 28, 2021 at 4:46:13 AM UTC link Permalink

Joo, CK haluaa vaikuttaa varjoista, ei keskustella julkisesti siitä, millaisia lauseita tietokannassa olisi hyvä olla.

mayurin0705 mayurin0705 24 days ago May 27, 2021 at 2:20:29 PM UTC link Permalink

私は約束した時間に行ったにもかかわらず彼はいなかった

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DJ_Saidez DJ_Saidez 24 days ago May 27, 2021 at 4:31:47 PM UTC link Permalink

どこにつけたかったんですか?

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small_snow small_snow 24 days ago May 27, 2021 at 11:16:54 PM UTC link Permalink

@DJ_Saidez
日本の方だと思うので、個別で対応しますね。
もし、違うようだったらあとでご連絡するのでその時は、よろしくお願いします。

small_snow small_snow 24 days ago, edited 24 days ago May 27, 2021 at 11:14:20 PM UTC, edited May 28, 2021 at 1:25:26 AM UTC link Permalink

操作をお間違えになられていると思うので、プライベートメッセージ(PM)をお送りしました。お時間のある時にご覧になってください。

CK CK 29 days ago, edited 26 days ago May 23, 2021 at 2:48:10 AM UTC, edited May 25, 2021 at 7:52:37 AM UTC link Permalink

** Orphan Sentence Stats **

http://tatoeba.ueuo.com/orphans.html

I've included links for those interested in browsing and adopting sentences in their own native languages.

[EDIT 2021-05-25] I apologize for posting this information. I didn't think it would start an argument. It was just a by-product of gathering the data for http://bit.ly/nativespeakers . I thought some members would find this interesting and perhaps encourage some to look at sentences and adopt them.

Sorry.

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sacredceltic sacredceltic 27 days ago May 24, 2021 at 9:01:22 PM UTC link Permalink

According to these statistics, Japanese is the least reliable language on Tatoeba, since it’s the least owned, if ownership is to be interpreted as approval...

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DJ_Saidez DJ_Saidez 27 days ago May 24, 2021 at 9:03:21 PM UTC link Permalink

Which is why the few active users are always working on sifting through these sentences.

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sacredceltic sacredceltic 27 days ago May 24, 2021 at 9:21:22 PM UTC link Permalink

But it’s worrying because, at the beginning, Japanese used to be pivotal on Tatoeba...

sacredceltic sacredceltic 27 days ago May 24, 2021 at 9:23:58 PM UTC link Permalink

It might be that the level of Japanese on Tatoeba is so poor that it fails to attract natives or rebukes them...

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DJ_Saidez DJ_Saidez 27 days ago May 24, 2021 at 10:29:31 PM UTC link Permalink

And what point are you trying to make with this?

Cabo Cabo 27 days ago May 25, 2021 at 6:21:18 AM UTC link Permalink

It's an immense amount of sentences, and the majority of them not as short as Amastan's or CK's sentences today. It's hard to get trough all of them, takes much time, and you can't just rewrite them, they have English translations. Japanese contributors are checking these sentences every day. 2-3 Japanese user contributes daily. (Japanese has 200k sentences, owned half of it.)

3-4 active Hungarian user visit the site and make visible changes daily. (Hungarian has 300k sentences) Do we have so poor Hungarian sentences that doesn't attract more natives?

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sacredceltic sacredceltic 27 days ago May 25, 2021 at 6:32:14 AM UTC link Permalink

The difference is that most hungarian sentences are owned. Ownership is key since it entrusts the owner and makes him responsible for potential issues.
If nobody wants to adopt the Japanese sentences, it’s probably because they are of poor quality, or maybe the adoption concept was not properly explained to Japanese reviewers. In any case, something should be done to fill the gap.

Cabo Cabo 26 days ago, edited 26 days ago May 25, 2021 at 7:19:32 AM UTC, edited May 25, 2021 at 7:33:03 AM UTC link Permalink
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CK CK 26 days ago, edited 26 days ago May 25, 2021 at 7:39:23 AM UTC, edited May 25, 2021 at 7:40:24 AM UTC link Permalink
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Cabo Cabo 26 days ago, edited 26 days ago May 25, 2021 at 7:40:25 AM UTC, edited May 25, 2021 at 7:41:33 AM UTC link Permalink
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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 May 15, 2021, edited May 16, 2021 May 15, 2021 at 2:08:03 AM UTC, edited May 16, 2021 at 3:26:27 AM UTC link Permalink

((First of all, I'd like to thank Rocío (Shishir) a lot for her tremendous help and encouragement on this task. She has been a great friend and adviser for me :) )

Hello, everyone! How are you doing? I hope you're doing great.

A friend of mine invited me to join Polyglot Gathering 2021 - https://www.polyglotgathering.com/2021/en/, an event which will bring many polyglots from all over the world (https://www.polyglotgathering.c...?tz=UTC-03:00) for a lot of debates, panels, language learning (crash courses) and interactions.

This year I'll talk about Tatoeba (Using Tatoeba.org to preserve your language, learning and helping others to learn them - https://www.polyglotgathering.c...C%C2%B100:00). This is the way I found to promote this website and perhaps bring some new active members (as for now, almost 1,000 people subscribed to this event).

I'm preparing a presentation - https://docs.google.com/present...delayms=10000. (still working on it but you can already have an idea of what I'm going to talk about). I intend to show myself using Tatoeba and doing some basic stuff like using the advanced search, creating lists, tagging sentences, etc and I'll also present the video posted here - https://tatoeba.org/eng/about.

Any feedback is welcome (Thanks Trang for this idea)

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DJ_Saidez DJ_Saidez May 15, 2021 May 15, 2021 at 7:25:12 AM UTC link Permalink

It's blocked to the public so we have to request access to the presentation, don't know if this is on purpose

And this is a great idea! It's awesome that you're using this opportunity to give Tatoeba more publicity
Hope you enjoy your time :D

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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 May 15, 2021 May 15, 2021 at 12:07:27 PM UTC link Permalink

Oh, thanks for letting me know. I forgot that.

» https://docs.google.com/present...e&delayms=5000 (public version)

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Cabo Cabo May 15, 2021, edited May 15, 2021 May 15, 2021 at 1:04:59 PM UTC, edited May 15, 2021 at 1:11:01 PM UTC link Permalink

Show them an example sentence, too. (what is English and translated at least five different languages, eg. German, French, Spanish, Chinese, Japanese, - these are some of the popular languages in Europe and in the US)
If you don't find one, you can write one with a particular message and we translate it. :)

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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 May 15, 2021 May 15, 2021 at 4:32:43 PM UTC link Permalink

Thanks for your suggestion.

I intend to show them when I share my screen while I use Tatoeba.

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AlanF_US AlanF_US May 15, 2021 May 15, 2021 at 11:22:32 PM UTC link Permalink

This is great, Ricardo! Thanks for being our ambassador!

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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 May 16, 2021 May 16, 2021 at 3:07:27 AM UTC link Permalink

That's such an honor! :)

CK CK May 16, 2021, edited May 16, 2021 May 16, 2021 at 4:03:03 AM UTC, edited May 16, 2021 at 4:04:34 AM UTC link Permalink

> "... English and translated at least five different languages" (Cabo's idea)

Here is a list that might help you easily find such sentences.

https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc.../show/7055/und

English Sentences Linked to More Than 9 Languages (Updated Feb. 2020) - Over 40,000 Sentences - List 7055


Note that you can search for sentences on this list that are not yet translated into your own native language with the following advanced search. Just click the "search" button.

https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentenc...roved=no&user=

This search template is set up for Portuguese native speakers. Others may easily change the "Portuguese" setting to their own native languages.

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Ricardo14 Ricardo14 May 16, 2021 May 16, 2021 at 5:23:17 AM UTC link Permalink

Indeed. Perhaps I'll use this list while I show my screen during the presentation. Thank you!

Ricardo14 Ricardo14 May 16, 2021 May 16, 2021 at 3:26:07 AM UTC link Permalink

I've updated my presentation - https://docs.google.com/present...&delayms=10000

gillux gillux May 17, 2021 May 17, 2021 at 9:20:05 PM UTC link Permalink

What a great idea! I am sure you will do great. You can inspire the audience with your love and dedication to the project.

Ricardo14 Ricardo14 28 days ago, edited 28 days ago May 24, 2021 at 3:50:52 AM UTC, edited May 24, 2021 at 4:09:15 AM UTC link Permalink

My dear friends,

I'm glad I could upload my talk about Tatoeba on Polyglot Gathering - https://youtu.be/1R6GN_NuvM4

I know I made a lot of mistakes, but I hope you like it.

sharptoothed sharptoothed 28 days ago May 23, 2021 at 6:58:11 PM UTC link Permalink

** Stats & Graphs **

Tatoeba Stats, Graphs & Charts have been updated:
https://tatoeba.j-langtools.com/allstats/

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Guybrush88 Guybrush88 28 days ago May 23, 2021 at 7:29:56 PM UTC link Permalink

thanks

CK CK 29 days ago May 23, 2021 at 3:38:40 AM UTC link Permalink

** Tatoeba.org Native Speakers **

http://bit.ly/nativespeakers

Find out who the native speakers are.

The sentence counts are based on data from the May 22, 2021 sentences-detailed.csv file.

6,870 = Native Speaker Usernames with Native Speaker Sentences
154 = The Number of Languages with Identified Native Speaker Contributions
7,542,532 = The Number of Sentences These Members Own in Their Native Languages

Ricardo14 Ricardo14 29 days ago May 22, 2021 at 12:04:16 PM UTC link Permalink

Do we have any list of projects that use Tatoeba's data?

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Cabo Cabo 29 days ago May 22, 2021 at 1:54:59 PM UTC link Permalink

CK has this list http://a4esl.org/temporary/tatoeba/links.html

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AlanF_US AlanF_US 29 days ago May 22, 2021 at 2:55:45 PM UTC link Permalink

That's a good list. We also link to it from our "Projects using Tatoeba" page:

https://en.wiki.tatoeba.org/art...using-tatoeba#

I noticed that one of the sites listed on CK's page, namely lingocracy.com, is no longer active.

bill bill 29 days ago, edited 29 days ago May 22, 2021 at 3:22:13 PM UTC, edited May 22, 2021 at 4:18:02 PM UTC link Permalink

Here are a few sites that are not listed on CK's page.

https://commonvoice.mozilla.org/
https://www.linguno.com/
https://www.heylingo.com/
https://bravolol.com/

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Yorwba Yorwba 29 days ago May 22, 2021 at 9:55:54 PM UTC link Permalink

How do you know Heylingo and Bravolol use Tatoeba's data? Even in the finest fine print I could find, they don't mention Tatoeba at all.

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bill bill 29 days ago May 22, 2021 at 10:39:10 PM UTC link Permalink

I found a lot of sentences from Tatoeba on their website/app, but I forgot they don't give proper attribution.

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CK CK 29 days ago May 23, 2021 at 12:54:48 AM UTC link Permalink

I've updated my page of links to include these links and also removed the clickable link to lingocracy.com that AlanF_US reported as being offline.

Here is the short, easy-to-remember URL.
http://bit.ly/tatoebalinks

lbdx lbdx 29 days ago May 22, 2021 at 7:27:57 AM UTC link Permalink

** Tatominer **

Thanks to MarijnKp, shekitten, Micsmithel, mraz, AlanF_US, aldar, Silja, maaster, Guybrush88, Ergulis, Johannes_S, slo_oth, Nylez, manufrutos, megamanenm, ddnktr, Yorwba, GrizaLeono, Cabo, Pfirsichbaeumchen, jose76c, danepo and deniko for their contributions that helped move the project forward this week.

Check out the most searched words that lack sentences or translations in your language at https://tatominer.netlify.app.