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boracasli boracasli January 11, 2011 January 11, 2011 at 6:39:56 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

And there is a Persian detection bug.

Is Tatoeba uses the Google Translate API for auto-detection?

It seems like Gtranslate API.



Some Persian sentences are in "unknown" (because Google detects them as Pashto), and some are in "Urdu" (Because Google detects them as Urdu).

I think you will make an auto-detection system for Tatoeba.

And the dictionary! A dictionary for Tatoeba is a very good idea. We will able to help the people to translate sentences. It will be an user-contributed and detailed dictionary and it will appear on the "Translate" form. Even this dictionary has 83 languages and Unknown until you add new languages.

but not unified multiple

x *remove/eliminate/delete

v *remove
*eliminate
*delete

Is it a good idea?

Kind regards,
boracasli.

boracasli boracasli January 11, 2011 January 11, 2011 at 6:08:02 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

I'm beginner in Azeri but proffessional in grammar.

example azeri:

aze: Yaxınlarda qanlı bir hücum olub.
tur: Yakınlarda kanlı bir saldırı oldu.
eng: A bloody attack has occured nearby.

aze: Mən kəllə paça şorbası yəyirəm.
tur: Ben kelle paça çorbası yiyorum.
eng: I'm eating kelle pacha soup.

aze: Televiziyada yaxşı bir proğram yox idi.
tur: Televizyonda iyi bir program yoktu.
eng: There isn't a good program on TV.

aze: Yeni ilə girəli az vaxt olub.
tur: Yeni yıla gireli az zaman oldu.
eng: A few time passed since we enter to the new year.

aze: 2008 ilində Rusiya Gürcüstana müharibə açıb.
tur: 2008 yılında Rusya Gürcistan'a savaş açtı.
eng: In year 2008, Russia declared war against Georgia.

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Pharamp Pharamp January 11, 2011 January 11, 2011 at 6:16:58 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

So?

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boracasli boracasli January 11, 2011 January 11, 2011 at 6:22:03 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

They can be added by an user, they're still stay as the first until an user from Azerbaijan joins to Tatoeba. I'm behaving very good, you know.

Do not consider "writing azeri translations as a comment" as a bad behaviour.

kind regards, best wishes and thanks,
boracasli.

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Pharamp Pharamp January 11, 2011 January 11, 2011 at 7:05:01 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

You could send Trang an e-mail with all your sentences in Azeri instead.

boracasli boracasli January 11, 2011 January 11, 2011 at 6:19:28 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

They're not google translate :)
but I used google translate as a dictionary
I don't translate sentences with it
but I use it as a dictionary
but only for languages with a dictionary !!!

thanks pharamp

boracasli boracasli January 11, 2011 January 11, 2011 at 6:08:23 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Azeri (aze)
Turkish (tur)
English (eng)

boracasli boracasli January 11, 2011 January 11, 2011 at 6:11:24 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

aze: Bir, iki, üç, dörd, beş, altı, yeddi, səkkiz, doqquz, on.
tur: Bir, iki, üç, dört, beş, altı, yedi, sekiz, dokuz, on.
eng: One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.

boracasli boracasli January 11, 2011 January 11, 2011 at 6:18:08 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

aze: Azərbaycanın paytaxtı Bakıda ən yaxşısını axtara bilərsiniz.
tur: Azerbaycan'ın başkenti Bakü'de en iyisini bulabilirsiniz.
eng: You can find the best in Baku, the capital of Azerbaijan.

papabear papabear January 11, 2011 January 11, 2011 at 10:33:48 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

If I want to make a note about how I translate a sentence, should I comment on the sentence in the source language, or the sentence in the target language?

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Swift Swift January 11, 2011 January 11, 2011 at 3:06:04 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Until we get the new database, I would suggest commenting on the sentence you've just added, rather than the (source) sentence you're translating.

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Swift Swift January 11, 2011 January 11, 2011 at 3:56:28 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Let me revise that a bit. In the case where one sentence is more ambiguous, it would be better to leave the comment on that sentence, guiding the user to the right translation (as there may be multiple).

sysko sysko January 11, 2011 January 11, 2011 at 10:51:44 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

hard question, i would say on the target language and precising for which source language i'm talking, or even the id of the source sentence, as after we don't know if other translation will be added, but there's no "best answer" i think. As the best things would be able to comment the translation link (which would be possible in the new version, again I'm just able to say that this last months ^^)

boracasli boracasli January 10, 2011 January 10, 2011 at 10:39:42 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

And there is a Slovenian bug. Although the Slovenian sentence amount is 9, It's shown 20.

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sysko sysko January 10, 2011 January 10, 2011 at 10:46:21 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

I've just corrected it, thanks

boracasli boracasli January 10, 2011 January 10, 2011 at 8:20:17 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Finally Lojban joined to the family of languages that 1000 or more sentence have been added!

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Zifre Zifre January 10, 2011 January 10, 2011 at 8:40:47 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

(en) Yup, I just noticed that I added the 1000th sentence. Yay! Swedish better watch out! :P

(jbo) je'u mi zi ganse lo nu mi jmina lo pa ki'o moi jufra .i ui sai .i pe'a lo sfe'ero bangu ei dai cu se kajde vau zo'o

Dejo Dejo January 10, 2011 January 10, 2011 at 5:05:06 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Moderators; Please check the contributions by Orilindi.

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Swift Swift January 10, 2011 January 10, 2011 at 5:34:18 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Deleted the sentences since resubmitting them with proper formatting and language identifier would take less time than fixing this user's submission, and sent the user a constructive message.

jakov jakov January 8, 2011 January 8, 2011 at 10:06:08 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

I wondered why the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=...layer_embedded doesnt have multilingual subtitles.

That's why I've added the english subtitles as a list of 32 "sentences": http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences_lists/show/329

I hope I havent missed the translation of the video text anywhere. And maybe it should be moved to launchpad, but for now i hope this will encourage the addition of multilingual subtitles to the really cool video.

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TRANG TRANG January 9, 2011 January 9, 2011 at 4:20:31 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

You're awesome!! :D

To be honest I should have translated the subtitles into French when I did the video. But I guess it was already so much work for me to create this video, and other priorities came up and I sort of left it that way...

And I just noticed that the video was viewed 10,000+ times.

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jakov jakov January 11, 2011 January 11, 2011 at 10:12:36 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Hello Trang!
I've started editing a copy of your prezi file and i've replaced the english texts with german ones.
You can have a look at it here:
http://prezi.com/jkptitff3d8i/t...ungsvideo-deu/

I'll send you, and anyone who wants to contribute, an invitation for editing. Just reply to this message and ill write you a PM with the key URL.

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TRANG TRANG January 15, 2011 January 15, 2011 at 6:15:44 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Nice :D Thanks for translating the content of the presentation too!

For now I have added your Prezi link in the description of the video on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac9SmJuwHqk).

Making a new video with the German text will take some time because there is no automated way to convert the prezi into a video. For the English version, I had to screencast and do a lot of video editing (to time it properly with the voice, among other things).

Prezi is really not the optimal tool, but I had chosen it because it was the only tool I knew which had these nice transitions and allowed to create something quickly ^^

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jakov jakov January 17, 2011 January 17, 2011 at 2:54:08 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

ive tried to add the sketches that youve added in afterwards (that are not inside the prezi) to the prezi as well, so we would need to only record the translated prezi and add the voice. no more video editing, thats what i want to say.

maybe you could hand to me the image files so i could integrate a higher quality image into the german prezi. You can also have a look at my prezi to see what i mean with the above mentioned.

jakov jakov January 10, 2011 January 10, 2011 at 11:31:48 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Thank you very much :D
I'll try to inform you as soon as one translation is complete.

jakov jakov January 10, 2011 January 10, 2011 at 7:33:24 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Ich habe soeben die deutsche Übersetzung des Tatoeba Einleitungsvideos fertiggestellt. Ich würde alle deutschsprachigen Tatoebaner bitten, einen kurzen Blick darauf zu werfen (link siehe oben), bevor ich sie Trang anvertraue um sie dem Video auf Youtube als Untertitel hinzuzufügen.

Iv'e just completed the german translation of the Tatoeba introduction video and I would ask all german speaking Tatoebans to check my translations before I hand them to Trang to add to the Tatoeba introduction video as subtitles.

Also I came up with the idea to use the audio feature to translate the spoken text of the video and maybe also the grafic text of the video could be translated. Therefore, if you agree, i would ask you, Trang, to please give me the source for the video at prezi.com so i can translate it (unless you want to do this yourself).

We also already have a lot of other translations into e.g. spanish, italian, rusian, lojban(!) etc., please Tatoebans out there help to continue this run so we can soon proudly present Tatoeba in an appropriate (multilingual) way.

Also I found a nice video on english language that mentions Tatoeba: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG4L4KGcugA

Zifre Zifre January 6, 2011 January 6, 2011 at 3:05:22 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Somehow, when I write original sentences (not translations), they are getting posted twice in many cases. What is going on and is there any way to prevent it?

(I have tagged them with "@delete" in case any moderator wants to go through and delete them.)

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TRANG TRANG January 9, 2011 January 9, 2011 at 3:52:46 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Okay, I think this is because you press "Enter" twice while it's saving. I've corrected the Javascript so you can clear your cache (with a little Ctrl+F5 if you're using Firefox) to make sure your browser is using the latest Javascript file, and normally it shouldn't happen again :)

If it does happen again though, well I would need more details on what you are doing to manage to save twice the same sentence.

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Zifre Zifre January 9, 2011 January 9, 2011 at 4:18:20 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Thanks, it seems to work now. (Though I definitely wasn't hitting Enter twice before. I was trying very carefully to make sure I wasn't doing anything twice...)

Zifre Zifre January 9, 2011 January 9, 2011 at 1:29:54 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

This has happened to me again! I think there must be some bug in Tatoeba. I would really appreciate some suggestions for how to get around this so it doesn't happen any more. I have a feeling it's a JavaScript thing. The weird thing is it doesn't always happen.

(Again, I have tagged them with "@delete", feel free to delete them.)

debian2007 debian2007 January 9, 2011 January 9, 2011 at 10:17:52 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

I saw one (or more) sentences copy-pasted from lernu.net forum. They are translations of daily esperanto sentences. If you are the author of those forum comments, it is allowed to do that, but otherwise? Or lernu.net is somewhat special, because it is voluntary?
I read the FAQ, I know we should not copy sentences; but when I see something fishy, I usually ask someone.

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sysko sysko January 9, 2011 January 9, 2011 at 10:23:03 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

otherwise one should ask the author to have the permission to do so. If you don't do so or he doesn't want, then you just must not add them in Tatoeba. Can you give me here some of the links to these sentences ?

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debian2007 debian2007 January 9, 2011 January 9, 2011 at 10:44:42 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

Both Eo-Rus:
tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/704547
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/704545
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/704543
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/704541
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/704537
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/704533
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/704531
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/701871
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/701869
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/701867
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/698064
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/698061
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/698058
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/698034
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/698026
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/697673
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/697671
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/697669
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/697667
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/697665
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/697662
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/697660
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/697658
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/697656
http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/697654

These are form the last five days.

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sysko sysko January 9, 2011 January 9, 2011 at 11:29:41 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

ok it seems it has been all added by the same user, so I'm going to contact him

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sysko sysko January 9, 2011 January 9, 2011 at 11:40:52 AM UTC flag Report link Permalink

http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/697656 posted my comment here
as I don't know if this user speaks English, and I speak neither Russian nor Esperanto, if someone wants to translate my comment in one of this language :)

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Tonari Tonari January 9, 2011 January 9, 2011 at 3:57:42 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

I translated your comment on Russian.

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sysko sysko January 9, 2011 January 9, 2011 at 4:01:52 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

perfect thanks :)

jakov jakov January 8, 2011 January 8, 2011 at 10:10:57 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

I think it would be a really great feature if the lists were sortable. Then one could for instance translate a story or a book or whatever. I would suggest that there should be two types of lists like in HTML: ordered lists (<OL>) and unordered lists (<UL>). While the latter would be just a collection, in the former there would be a sense behind the order of the sentences. This feature might be easily programmable, but very much enrich the platform, without any risk of featuritis.

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Zifre Zifre January 8, 2011 January 8, 2011 at 10:49:02 PM UTC flag Report link Permalink

I think the new version of Tatoeba will allow metadata on sentences, so maybe you could have a field called "sequence number" or something and you could sort by that in the list view.